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"A separate state-based election model run by Oxford Economics that incorporates local economic trends and gasoline prices predicts Trump will badly lose the electoral college by a margin of 328 to 210. That model forecasts that seven battleground states will flip to Democrats: Iowa, Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Missouri and North Carolina."
https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/20/business ... index.html

But it may not be a good thing in the long-run. The Democrats could lose badly in 2022 and 2024, and a Biden presidency won't help. Nobody likes Biden. I doubt Biden is going to do anything as president.

DoubtingThomas wrote: ↑

Mon May 25, 2020 10:51 pm

But it may not be a good thing in the long-run. The Democrats could lose badly in 2022 and 2024, and a Biden presidency won't help. Nobody likes Biden. I doubt Biden is going to do anything as president.

While it is possible the republicans could pick someone worse than Trump in 2024, I think the odds highly favor getting rid of the worst President in US history who has done major damage, which will only be much worse if given another 4 years. Looking at all those people running against Trump for the Republican nominee, all were way better choices then Trump. The worry is the far right will look for another horrible candidate to replace Trump. Hard sometimes to stop stupidity.

If Biden wins and the Demos take control of Congress, we're likely to see Obamacare 2.0 as it was originally intended.

I agree that getting rid of Trump is of the most immediate, paramount importance. I am not entirely happy with Biden being the only presently viable alternative to Trump, but he has got to be better than that buffoonish, bigoted, utterly corrupt, would-be-tyrant! Nevertheless I am sick and tired of having to settle for the lesser of two evils. I think most of the other Democrat contenders for President would have been better choices than Biden, yet all of them, including Biden, are way better than Trump.

I do really think, though, that Biden is more sincerely concerned than Trump about the plight of the disadvantaged and poor among us, and more inclined than Trump to place the needs of others before his own. It only becomes more and more obvious that Trump's overriding concern is what's in it for him, no matter who or how many have to suffer to enable him to get what he wants for himself.

Icarus wrote: ↑

Mon May 25, 2020 11:34 pm

If Biden wins and the Demos take control of Congress, we're likely to see Obamacare 2.0 as it was originally intended.

I hope you are right, as long as that turns out to be a stepping stone to eventual enactment of the universal healthcare that virtually all other developed nations now enjoy.

Themis wrote:...has done major damage, ...

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Please provide fact based evidence for your assertion.
Not that you will, but it would be interesting to see you translate your feelings to something tangible and supported by a less subjective reality.

Gunnar wrote: ↑

Mon May 25, 2020 11:54 pm

I agree that getting rid of Trump is of the most immediate, paramount importance.

If only he could agree to an interstellar space flight so the whole galaxy could see how great he is (that lure might work).

A model that has Missouri flipping, but not Arizona is spectacularly wrong.

subgenius wrote: ↑

Tue May 26, 2020 1:57 am

Themis wrote:...has done major damage, ...

?
Please provide fact based evidence for your assertion.
Not that you will, but it would be interesting to see you translate your feelings to something tangible and supported by a less subjective reality.

https://www.needtoimpeach.com/corruptio ... ng-damage/

https://www.latimes.com/business/story/ ... healthcare

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... hievements
The above sites list only a small sample of the damage Trump has done, and there is nothing really new here. Most, if not all of this evidence and more, has already been often discussed at length by many of us. You obviously are not paying attention!

He has dangerously weakened or eliminated environmental, food safety, pesticide use regulations and others intended to safeguard both human and animal life. Our streams and waterways are becoming more polluted and hazardous; he has drastically weakened or eliminated independent oversight intended to minimize fraud, waste and abuse, famously declaring that he doesn't need oversight, that he himself is all the oversight needed, thus insulating himself and his administration from any honest scrutiny of any potential misdeeds or crimes. How in any reasonable universe is this a good thing?

And there is no possible way you can deny that he has horribly botched the response to the coronavirus pandemic compared to most other nations' leaders, without revealing yourself to be a flaming idiot! Even you don't have the chutzpah to deny that! There is already a whole thread dedicated to that, to which you have, so far, not dared to respond!

And furthermore, can you honestly deny that he has seriously and possibly permanently damaged relations between the U.S. and its closest allies, or that Trump has become the laughing stock of most of the world? U.S. world leadership has been severely weakened or even become a joke because of Trump!

DoubtingThomas wrote: ↑

Mon May 25, 2020 10:51 pm

"A separate state-based election model run by Oxford Economics that incorporates local economic trends and gasoline prices predicts Trump will badly lose the electoral college by a margin of 328 to 210. That model forecasts that seven battleground states will flip to Democrats: Iowa, Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Missouri and North Carolina."
https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/20/business ... index.html

Arizona is much more likely to flip to Democrat this year than Missouri. Missouri is likely to stay Republican this year.