Why the right doesn't trust the FBI/Deep State/Media

[ajax18]

Maybe it’s time the Washington Post and the New York Times return those Russian collusion Pulitzers
Did you know there’s a process whereby an undeserved Pulitzer Prize may be returned?

Disgraced former Washington Post reporter Janet Cooke in 1981 returned hers after it was discovered she fabricated the feature story that won her the award in the first place.

It’s worth revisiting this factoid this week with the news the primary source for the infamous Steele Dossier — which launched two solid years of white-knuckled, award-winning Russian collusion news coverage — has been indicted on five counts of lying to federal investigators about how and where he got his supposed information.

Igor Danchenko is accused of making several significant false claims, one of the biggest being he was informed of a “conspiracy of cooperation” between Moscow and the Trump 2016 campaign by a man federal authorities identify only as the president of the Russian-American Chamber of Commerce.

The federal indictment plainly accuses Danchenko of contributing multiple exaggerations, rumors, and flat-out lies to the Steele Dossier. The indictment also alleges Danchenko received a good deal of his supposed information from a longtime Democratic Party operative with ties to Hillary Clinton’s 2016 presidential campaign instead of actual intelligence experts with keen and relevant knowledge of the Kremlin’s inner workings. Danchenko told federal investigators he did not receive certain information from a Democratic operative. Federal authorities say this is a lie. The indictment likewise hints at the possibility Danchenko worked recently for a Russian intelligence agency.

Insofar as the indictment’s suggestion that Danchenko may be in bed with Russian intelligence is concerned, it’s worth recalling the FBI conducted a counterintelligence investigation from 2009 to 2011 to assess his “documented contacts with suspected Russian intelligence officers.” The operation was “based on information by the FBI indicating that the Primary Sub-Source may be a threat to national security,” the agency explained, according to declassified records.

If the indictment’s charges prove true, it means the primary source for the dossier used to secure authorization from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court to spy on one-time Trump campaign aide Carter Page — the same dossier that served as the foundation for the yearslong Russian collusion news cycle — is a complete fraud. And not just a fraud, but a fraud who allegedly conspired with Clinton-connected Democratic operatives and Russian intelligence services.

In other words, on top of everything else that undercuts the credibility of the Steele Dossier, including that it is as absurd as it is uncorroborated, it appears increasingly likely it is the product of a Kremlin counterintelligence operation, one in which Democrats may have played a key role.

The Washington Post, which won a Pulitzer for its coverage of the supposed election-year conspiracy between the Trump campaign and Moscow, stated the obvious this week, reporting, “The [federal] allegations cast new uncertainty on some past reporting on the dossier by news organizations, including the Washington Post.”

The New York Times, which similarly won a Pulitzer for its reporting on the alleged Trump-Russia conspiracy, had no such moment of introspection following news of the charges against Danchenko.

Perhaps former President Donald Trump has a point. Knowing what we know already about the Steele Dossier, most especially that it amounted to a big, fat nothing, perhaps it’s time the Washington Post and the New York Times take a page from Janet Cooke’s book and return the Pulitzers they won for their ultimately pointless and very likely Kremlin-manipulated coverage of the collusion allegations. And should the indictment’s charges prove true, and the New York Times and the Washington Post still refuse to return the awards, perhaps the Pulitzer committee should rescind them itself.

Then again, considering the Pulitzer committee decided in 2003 not to revoke the prize it awarded in 1932 to New York Times reporter Walter Duranty for his coverage (or lack thereof) of the Soviet Union, which the New York Times itself conceded in 1990 was “some of the worst reporting” ever to appear in its pages, we’d be wise not to hold our breath.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... d=msedgntp

[K Graham]

There was collusion with Russia. This is just an indisputable fact. Idiots on the right claim to distrust anything true and logical because it contradicts their preferred alternate reality. that's why they hate legit journalism, because it debunks their bs.

[canpakes]

Hold up. Since you’ve made the claim, can you identify what represents the Deep State, here?

An indictment - out of the Durham investigation, which many conspiracy believers believed was going to end up with the arrest of Hillary Clinton and Obama for some imaginary reason - charges Igor Danchenko with five counts of making false statements to the FBI.

FBI first questioned Danchenko in 2017 while trying to corroborate the Steele dossier’s claims. A review by the DOJ’s Inspector General in 2019 revealed that Danchenko had also come under suspicion for being a Russian agent while working for the Brookings Institution 10 years earlier.

If anything, what this is proving is that the FBI isn’t part of the ‘Deep State’ and was not aligned against Trump, which is what Trump publicly alleged, along with those loyal to him. That sort of BS wasn’t fair to the FBI’s process and it demonstrated a sitting President trying to destroy confidence in one of our intelligence agencies.

There’s nothing wrong with investigating claims, if there’s reason to believe that they may have some merit. The FBI did its job. The process worked. Durham looked for years and found nothing but low level shenanigans by just a few people. So much for the much-rumored Deep State.

[ajax18]

There’s nothing wrong with investigating claims, if there’s reason to believe that they may have some merit.

The FBI knew since 2017 that Danchenko was lying. Yet they proceeded with a partisan political hit job on the Trump campaign and then the administration. The only real collusion with Russia is between Russia and the Hillary Clinton campaign. They certainly knew Danchenko was lying before they got the warrant to spy on Carter Paige, long before the Mueller teams lawyers started altering emails in an attempt to get Carter Paige.

The only reason you believe that the process worked is because Trump is now out of office. I'd love to go digging through the old board over the past four years to show just how hypocritical the Democrats on this board have been about this entire partisan effort to oust a democratically elected president. But you all knew that in 2017 as well. You're not surprised to see proof that Danchenko was lying the entire time. Anything to get Trump out of office is justified in your minds I'm sure.

[canpakes]

The only reason you believe that the process worked is because Trump is now out of office. I'd love to go digging through the old board over the past four years to show just how hypocritical the Democrats on this board have been about this entire partisan effort to oust a democratically elected president.

How about: even with Trump out of office, the FBI process still worked, in a way that protected him?

If the Deep State existed and had the intent that you believe, why wouldn’t they just cut short their investigation now that Trump is out of office? Instead, they continued, and confirmed that Danchenko lied about his information.

Your conspiracy wants to claim that regardless of the action or outcome, it means that the ‘Deep State’ exists and is out to get Trump. That’s convenient for you, but it isn’t jiving with reality.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

Xanax is a secessionist anti-American cultist. Nothing anyone says about his cults could sway him. There’s a reason why the military takes an oath to defend our country against “enemies both foreign and domestic.” He’s literally a 5th columnist. Someone needs to punch him in the dick.

- Doc

[ajax18]

So now we know that Christopher Steele was actually on the Hillary Clinton campaign payroll. He got his information for the Dossier from Danchenko. Danchenko was getting his information from Larry Dolan of the Clinton campaign. The Mueller investigation went on for over two years after the FBI and everyone on Mueller's team knew Danchenko was lying. So what was the Mueller report ultimately? Nothing more than a coverup for the Democrat party who had weaponized the FBI against their political opponents.

This is a better summary than I can give.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... d=msedgntp

Durham looked for years and found nothing but low level shenanigans by just a few people. So much for the much-rumored Deep State.

Unfortunately for the credibility of the FBI I think Durham is going to find quite a bit more.

[Some Schmo]

Someone needs to punch him in the dick.

I don't know why this made me laugh so hard, but it did.

[ajax18]

Xanax is a secessionist anti-American cultist. Nothing anyone says about his cults could sway him. There’s a reason why the military takes an oath to defend our country against “enemies both foreign and domestic.” He’s literally a 5th columnist. Someone needs to punch him in the dick.

- Doc

I will drive you off my land and out of my bank account some day you worthless social security collecting pos.

[ajax18]

How about: even with Trump out of office, the FBI process still worked, in a way that protected him?

Protected him from what? This was never a political attack on Donald Trump. It was an attack on me and everyone else who voted for him and our America first agenda. Perhaps the Democrats knew that these accusations while false, could still be useful in stopping Trump's America First agenda. Ironically, not until Trump is out of office and his agenda cancelled do we now have confirmation that Russian collusion was a lie and those that pushed it knew it was a lie since 2017! The midterm elections are now over. The Democrat House now has authority to bring up perpetual impeachment charges. Now the 2020 election is over. By 2024 most voters will have forgotten what the mainstream media was saying in 2016. Just as I can no longer go back and access all the asinine accusations being relayed on this board in 2016-2018, I still remember reading them. They never wanted Trump. They wanted to overturn the results of the 2016 election. And they succeeded.

If the Deep State existed and had the intent that you believe, why wouldn’t they just cut short their investigation now that Trump is out of office? Instead, they continued, and confirmed that Danchenko lied about his information.

They only admit that now that they're safe from being held accountable for a colossal waste of taxpayer money spent on a false partisan political investigation.