Nathan Bedford Forrest

[MeDotOrg]

Nathan Bedford Forrest was one of the great generals of the Civil War. A master of reading terrain and situating his troops, he was fearless in battle and had many horses shot out from under him. He was a brilliant tactician in the heat of battle.

He was also a slave owner, shot black union soldiers rather than take them prisoner, and was the first Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan.

Imagine Rommel had survived World War II, and formed an anti-Jewish terrorist organization. Imagine how German Jews would feel about a statue celebrating him.

Tennessee wasn't exactly on the forefront of the Civil Rights era. Nathan Bedford Forrest day was officially commemorated by the state until 2020.

This week a statue, built on private property, was taken down from the side of the highway after the owner died.



No great loss to the art world.

So what to do with Nathan Bedford Forrest? Study him in War College, he was a brilliant general. But there is a difference between studying tactics and strategy and recognizing the cause for which they were employed.

For those who say this is the death of history, this is the death of a romantic historical narrative, where the rest of his life is dismissed by his generalship.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

Melt the statue down into toilet seats, and donate them to HBCs so black people can take a crap on him. Same with Gen. Lee statues.

“F” him. “F” the Confederacy. And “F” modern day traitors who agitate for secession.

eta: i guess it’s kind of already happenin:

https://www.foxnews.com/us/charlottesvi ... ic-artwork

Charlottesville's Robert E. Lee statue to be melted down into new public artwork

- Doc

[canpakes]

No great loss to the art world.

Well said. If you’ve seen other pics/angles of this horrifying statue, it will become apparent that taking this thing down is the kindest gesture possible to the memory of Forrest.

I encourage others to seek out more images of this ‘monument’, but only if they’ve not eaten for at least several hours.

[Moksha]

Is Forrest the Confederate General/ Klan Grand Dragon that Ajax uses as an avatar?

[MeDotOrg]

That would be Stonewall Jackson. During the Battle of Bull Run (Manassas) his troops held ground as if they were a "Stone Wall", and helped turn the tide for the Confederate Army. The thing I like best about Stonewall were the words he said on his deathbed:

Let us cross over the river, and rest under the shade of the trees.

His last words were beautiful.

[ajax18]

So what to do with Nathan Bedford Forrest? Study him in War College, he was a brilliant general. But there is a difference between studying tactics and strategy and recognizing the cause for which they were employed.

I suppose. But Nathan Bedford Forrest enlisted in the Confederate army as a private. He wasn't a West Point trained general but in my opinion he was probably the best General the South had. Lee lost the war with his plan to march into Gettysburg. They had Forrest's statue up in the ghetto in Memphis as late as 2010. 95% of the people living there were black and nobody knew or cared what it was enough to bother removing it. I can understand why African Americans would want his statue taken down. I have no problem with that. But it's not going to change anything. What stokes racism and division is how people like BLM, Jussie Smollet, London Breed, Maxine Waters, Sunny Hostin, Jesse Jackson Jr., and pretty much all of southside Chicago, behave today. Nevertheless it's politically expedient for the left to stoke racial hatred by bringing stories like confederate statues to the front page of the news today. If black and white people start getting along, that's a really bad thing for Democrat voter turnout.

And you're still missing the point of the Civil War. The South fought because the federal government should not have the right to tell the state governments what to do. That's why the confederates were constitutionally correct even if not strong enough militarily to uphold the constitution itself.

[Res Ipsa]

So what to do with Nathan Bedford Forrest? Study him in War College, he was a brilliant general. But there is a difference between studying tactics and strategy and recognizing the cause for which they were employed.

I suppose. But Nathan Bedford Forrest enlisted in the Confederate army as a private. He wasn't a West Point trained general but in my opinion he was probably the best General the South had. Lee lost the war with his plan to march into Gettysburg. They had Forrest's statue up in the ghetto in Memphis as late as 2010. 95% of the people living there were black and nobody knew or cared what it was enough to bother removing it. I can understand why African Americans would want his statue taken down. I have no problem with that. But it's not going to change anything. What stokes racism and division is how people like BLM, Jussie Smollet, London Breed, Maxine Waters, Sunny Hostin, Jesse Jackson Jr., and pretty much all of southside Chicago, behave today. Nevertheless it's politically expedient for the left to stoke racial hatred by bringing stories like confederate statues to the front page of the news today. If black and white people start getting along, that's a really bad thing for Democrat voter turnout.

And you're still missing the point of the Civil War. The South fought because the federal government should not have the right to tell the state governments what to do. That's why the confederates were constitutionally correct even if not strong enough militarily to uphold the constitution itself.

From the beginning of the Mississippi Declaration:

A Declaration of the Immediate Causes which Induce and Justify the Secession of the State of Mississippi from the Federal Union.

In the momentous step which our State has taken of dissolving its connection with the government of which we so long formed a part, it is but just that we should declare the prominent reasons which have induced our course.

Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin. That we do not overstate the dangers to our institution, a reference to a few facts will sufficiently prove.

They fought for the right to own black people as slaves.

[canpakes]

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ajax, states can ‘do’ many things today, and could ‘do’ many things back prior to the Civil War.

The South fought because the federal government should not have the right to tell the state governments what to do.

To do what ..?

[ajax18]

They fought for the right to own black people as slaves.

Perhaps the ruling class did. But why do you think my ancestors fought, given that they didn't own slaves?

To do what ..?

Go to work and earn a living rather than lockdown and go on welfare over a virus that kills 0.04% of those infected. If you want to lockdown in California go ahead. But don't trample our constitutional rights to work and earn a living and certainly don't ask that we finance your lockdown with federal tax dollars.

[Res Ipsa]

They fought for the right to own black people as slaves.

Perhaps the ruling class did. But why do you think my ancestors fought, given that they didn't own slaves?

To do what ..?

Go to work and earn a living rather than lockdown and go on welfare over a virus that kills 0.04% of those infected. If you want to lockdown in California go ahead. But don't trample our constitutional rights to work and earn a living and certainly don't ask that we finance your lockdown with federal tax dollars.

The South went to war over lockdowns?