NBC news story on Hunter Biden

[honorentheos]

Markk: He didn’t just assert anything…he flat out said over and over, and I assume still does in that I haven’t heard any detraction or apology.

assert (verb)
as·​sert | \ ə-ˈsərt , a- \
asserted; asserting; asserts
Definition of assert
transitive verb

1a: to state or declare positively and often forcefully or aggressively

[Markk]

Honor…who is the Big Guy?

[honorentheos]

Honor…who is the Big Guy?

Why is the big man?

[K Graham]

Honor…who is the Big Guy?

A reference to Hunter's penis probably.

You don't know how burden of proof works. You're the one asserting the Big Guy is Joe, so prove it.

And why aren't you concerned at all about the fact that the hard drive has been indisputably tampered with? Doesn't that bother you? No, of course not. Given your laser focused attention to Right Wing propaganda I doubt you were even aware of this fact.

New folders created on drive given to The Post

The Post spent months reviewing the data on the portable drive in its entirety and seeking forensic verification of its contents. It made two new copies of the portable drive provided by Maxey so the experts could analyze them.

Green examined the drive first and, based on his initial findings, urged The Post to seek a second review to verify more of its contents. The Post then hired Williams, who has conducted forensic analyses for Fortune 100 financial services companies and also did similar work during his time at the NSA. He is now on the faculty of the information security research group IANS.

Many questions about the drive remained impossible to answer definitively. That includes what happened during a nearly year-long period of apparent inactivity from September 2019 — about five months after Hunter Biden reportedly dropped off the laptop at the repair shop — until August 2020, when the presidential campaign involving his father was entering its final months.

Soon after that period of inactivity — and months after the laptop itself had been taken into FBI custody — three new folders were created on the drive. Dated Sept. 1 and 2, 2020, they bore the names “Desktop Documents,” “Biden Burisma” and “Hunter. Burisma Documents.”

Williams also found records on the drive that indicated someone may have accessed the drive from a West Coast location in October 2020, little more than a week after the first New York Post stories on Hunter Biden’s laptop appeared.

Over the next few days, somebody created three additional folders on the drive, titled, “Mail,” “Salacious Pics Package” and “Big Guy File” — an apparent reference to Joe Biden.

Attempts to verify the emails relied mainly on a technology called DKIM, which stands for DomainKeys Identified Mail. DKIM is a cryptographic technology used by Google and some other email services to verify the identities of senders.

Williams also used a second cryptographic technology called ARC, for Authenticated Received Chain. It was created to make cryptographic verification possible even when email moves through multiple services.

Williams said ARC, though slightly less reliable than DKIM, was a worthy alternative for emails for which DKIM verification was not possible. Overall, his list of emails included 16,425 verified by DKIM and 5,521 verified by ARC.

There are limits to cryptographic verification of emails, both experts said. Not all email services provide cryptographic signatures, and among those that did, not all did so with the care of Google, which is regarded within the technology industry as having strong security protocols. Green and Williams said the only realistic way to fake Google’s DKIM signatures would be to hack the company’s own secure servers and steal private cryptographic keys — something they considered unlikely even for nation-state-level hackers using the most advanced techniques.

So who is tampering with the evidence Markk?

[K Graham]

The only reason people think Joe Biden is the "Big Guy" is because of nutjob Tony Bobulinski asserting it as so. You know, the assertion that was hyped on an opinion piece by the WSJ just before their news side debunked it.

Strassel wrote that according to the messages, one of Hunter Biden’s business partners in the venture told Bobulinski, “don’t mention Joe being involved, it’s only when u are face to face.” She also said that some messages that referred to an unnamed business partner were references to the former vice president.

But according to the Wall Street Journal’s own reporting, the text messages did not show the pay-for-play scheme that Strassel outlined.

“Text messages and emails related to the venture that were provided to the Journal by Mr. Bobulinski, mainly the spring and summer of 2017, don’t show either Hunter Biden or [Joe’s brother] James Biden discussing a role for Joe Biden in the venture,” Journal reporters Andrew Duehren and James T. Areddy wrote.

The Journal did note that Bobulinski said Hunter Biden appeared to reference his father as a potential business partner in one set of text messages, allegedly referring to him as the “big guy.” Biden’s team has denied that the former vice president ever was involved in business ventures with his son, and has released his tax returns, which the campaign says show no business dealings with foreign companies.

Ooops? So Bobulinski lied about what the texts said. But hey, let's just trust him on all the other crap he says.

The push to put the spotlight on Hunter Biden’s scuttled business dealing with a Chinese energy firm has been part of a last-ditch attempt by the Trump campaign and its allies to recreate the drama of the Clinton email scandal that helped propel Trump to the White House.

Earlier this week, the New York Post published a story with the alleged contents of Hunter Biden’s laptop, which was provided to the tabloid by Trump’s personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani. As The New York Times reported, the piece so thoroughly lacked credibility that one Post reporter refused to put his name on the story over such concerns.

Giuliani acknowledged to the Times that the Post lacks certain journalistic standards, explaining that he specifically opted to give the story to the tabloid because they wouldn’t “spend all the time they could to try to contradict it before they put it out.” And later this week, the president’s lawyer admitted that even if his claims about Hunter Biden are not accurate, “the American people are entitled to know it.”

HFS! Basically Giuliani is saying, yes, we know the NY Post isn't real journalism but we couldn't give it to a real news outlet because they'd know it was BS and wouldn't provide us with the media narrative we so desperately seek.

[K Graham]

Are Bobulinski’s claims credible?

There’s reason to be skeptical about Bobulinski’s allegations, which credible news organizations have not corroborated. The Associated Press, for example, reported that it could not independently verify Bobulinki’s claims. PolitiFact has not been able to, either.

The Wall Street Journal reviewed his documents and found no evidence of wrongdoing by Joe Biden — or that he was active in his family’s foreign business endeavors, as Bobulinski claimed.

Bobulinski’s overarching claim is that Joe Biden was involved in, and may have profited from, his son and brother’s business dealings in China. He called Joe Biden’s claim that he never played a role in Hunter Biden’s foreign business endeavors "a blatant lie."

But the Journal reported that the text messages and emails Bobulinski shared from 2017 "don’t show either Hunter Biden or James Biden discussing a role for Joe Biden in the venture."

The venture in China "never received proposed funds from the Chinese company or completed any deals, according to people familiar with the matter," the outlet reported. "Corporate records reviewed by The Wall Street Journal show no role for Joe Biden."

The Journal also quoted Gilliar, the British national involved in SinoHawk, as saying he was "unaware of any involvement at any time of the former vice president." Gilliar added that "the activity in question never delivered any project revenue."

The New York Times reached the same conclusion about Bobulinski’s records.

Financial disclosures and tax records for Joe Biden show no indication of any income related to the venture at hand, as the Times and Vox reported.

Bobulinski claimed he met with the elder Biden twice, including once in May 2017 at Hunter and James Biden’s request. Bobulinski told Carlson that it was "crystal clear" that Hunter Biden had told his father about the venture, but he also said the group "didn’t go into too much detail on business" during the meeting.

After a speech Joe Biden gave the next day, Bobulinski said the former vice president asked for his thoughts on the speech and then told him to "keep an eye on his son and his brother."

Joe Biden was not in office at the time, nor had he launched his campaign for president.

Bobulinski’s evidence also includes an email, originally published by the New York Post, that he received from Gilliar. The email appeared to describe a proposal for the division of equity related to the venture, before it fell through. The split would have included "20 H," "10 Jim," and "10 held by H for the big guy?"

Bobulinski said the "big guy" referenced in a question was Joe Biden. Bobulinski has also claimed that Joe Biden was the person described in another message days later as "the Chairman."

PolitiFact asked the Biden campaign for comment, but we haven’t heard back.

Bobulinski also provided Carlson with audio that showed Walker — the former Clinton administration official who Bobulinski and Carlson described as a representative of the Biden family — saying that if Bobulinski spoke out publicly, "You’re just going to bury all of us, man."

It’s not clear if the comments were shown in proper context on Carlson’s show, but Biden campaign spokesperson Andrew Bates told the Associated Press "it is totally inaccurate to describe (Walker) as a representative of the Biden campaign or any member of the Biden family."

[Markk]

Honor…who is the Big Guy?

Why is the big man?

That is a answer…LOL? You wanted to “get past the smoke” and “into the fire”…okay…who is the big guy” Maybe Joe is and maybe Joe isn’t…bu it is a real question that should be investigated.

You are dodging the question

[Markk]

Kevin,

You are just creating a diversion as to why this should not be investigated. There is a lot of lying going on, this is Washington…that’s what they do is Washington. So, if you look at all the “smoke”…there is more than enough there that demands a real investigation. Congress (dems)denied a request to bring Hunter in from of them a few days ago…why?

You can also google and find sites that are 180 in option to ones you pasted…you can data dredge this all day long…I believe there is more than enough evidence get James, Hunter and other folks close to this on oath.

by the way, do you have that link where there is a solar plant being built to serve all of Europe…point being “who is lying?” You want to throw stones at others, but you can’t even cop to your own “stretches” saying it gently. Say you where wrong, stand corrected, or it remains a lie. What about a 20 dollar a month bill for power…have a link for that? We all get sloppy Kevin is our looking at this stuff, but at least try to have a ounce of objectivity, and own you sloppy-ness.

[honorentheos]

Why is the big man?

That is a answer…LOL? You wanted to “get past the smoke” and “into the fire”…okay…who is the big guy” Maybe Joe is and maybe Joe isn’t…bu it is a real question that should be investigated.

You are dodging the question

You just answered it. With no obvious means of knowing who is meant the question left is why it matters? Even if it is Biden, the emails are less informative and just feed innuendo...and you swallowed the hook. It's been investigated, Markk.

You are trapped in 2020 on this issue. Back then the Trump admin pressed for the media to talk about it and create controversy when there was no time to effectively investigate it before the election. And they obfuscated and withheld information. Today enough is known to make the most innuendo driven of the emails irrelevant to Joe Biden. You can start by going back to the Vox article I shared it you want a reference. You can read Res Ipsa's timeline thread for other information. You can see what Kevin shared above. You're rehashing conservative TV talking points that are two years behind.

[K Graham]

Kevin,

You are just creating a diversion as to why this should not be investigated.

It has been investigated and is still being investigated. You keep ignoring this fact so you can maintain this delusion of "if only the media would cover it" nonsense. Biden isn't a public official so the only reason Congressional Republicans want to drag him through the mud is for political reasons aimed at hurting his dad. The irony is all this is that even if Joe Biden was involved in some deal that earned him from money from China, this would be glossed over and considered good business if he were Trump. In fact, we already know Trump and his kids benefited greatly from Russian and Chinese money which is why Trump fought tooth and nail to keep his tax returns out of the spotlight. And this is while he was in office and his kids were working for him at the White House. But you're not concerned about any of that. Let's just focus on what some one's kid did when he wasn't in office and jump to illicit conclusions about scandalous behavior. Because it is only "COMMUNIST"!!!! China when Hunter Biden is doing deals with them, and it is just "good business" when Ivanka gets a dozen patents approved for her crap products.

There is a lot of lying going on, this is Washington…that’s what they do is Washington.

Again, more innuendo that means nothing. This is the fuel for conspiracy whackjobs. The only verified lying thus far has been from the one source you've been relying on this whole time. Bobulinski.

So, if you look at all the “smoke”…there is more than enough there that demands a real investigation. Congress (dems)denied a request to bring Hunter in from of them a few days ago…why?

Smoke is being manufactured by the propagandists you rely on. You can't even make up your mind what it is you're trying to accuse either of them of doing.

You can also google and find sites that are 180 in option to ones you pasted…

"Sites"? You mean all the hard Right propaganda outlets that just borrow the same "opinion" without producing any proof? Either Bobulinski's "documents" substantiate his claims or they don't, and the fact is they don't. That's why Tucker Carlson dropped the issue after the data was conveniently "lost" and then tried to say it was because he felt sorry for Hunter because he was a "broken man" he didn't want to pounce on. Yeah, right.

I believe there is more than enough evidence get James, Hunter and other folks close to this on oath.

And if there isn't, its because of the "Deep State" right?

You believe it because you want to. Because you believe a verified liar like Bobulinski and Tucker Carlson who insisted for weeks they had documents to prove their claims, but when those documents were looked at by real journalists, it turned out to be all lies.

by the way, do you have that link where there is a solar plant being built to serve all of Europe…point being “who is lying?” You want to throw stones at others, but you can’t even cop to your own “stretches” saying it gently. Say you where wrong, stand corrected, or it remains a lie. What about a 20 dollar a month bill for power…have a link for that? We all get sloppy Kevin is our looking at this stuff, but at least try to have a ounce of objectivity, and own you sloppy-ness.

I didn't say it was being built to serve all of Europe I said that was the plan that's in the works. Europe isn't one country so obviously it will begin with one country at a time.