Will the Republic as we know it end?

[Moksha]

https://Twitter.com/i/status/1591820856715608065

Kari Lake supporters outside the Maricopa ballot counting center: “We the people are requesting the military to step in and redo our election. It was fake.”

[Dr Exiled]

I watched it as it unfolded as you did. I still wonder why the cops were in the capitol with the protesters taking selfies and why the cops let them through the barricades in the first place.

DrE -

In any crowd of law enforcement present that day, you’d likely have found someone sympathetic to the sentiment of the MAGA crowd outside, and I’m sure that one or more ended up in ‘selfies’ with one or more of those protesters. But, context is important. Were these selfies taken at the doors of the Capitol as the crowds were surging to get inside, or elsewhere on the grounds during more peaceful moments?

It’s reasonable to have some officers retreat from or even displace a barricade when it looks like the size and mood of the crowd would lead to much more dire circumstances if the only other option is ‘holding their ground’. Maybe officers in that situation hoped that letting the crowd move past them wouldn’t necessarily lead to an attempt to breach the doors. Maybe they feared for their safety. Maybe they didn’t want to fire upon their fellow citizens due to how grave a situation that could have created. But to blithely claim that officers were just happily taking selfies and moving the barricades aside to let rioters pass by shows a certain amount of disrespect for what hundreds of them experienced that day.

I get it. Your videos are disturbing and why did Trump wait so long to call for the crowd to disburse? However, there are other stories the partisan Jan 6 committee won't discuss:

https://www.businessinsider.com/capitol ... 021-1?op=1
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/video ... r-selfies/

Also, the crowd left and didn't take over the government. They walked around for a while and some idiots stole some trinkets from Pelosi's office. But they left and congress did their job and Biden is president now.

Further, let's play it out. What if they zip-tied the congresspersons? If that happened, the military/police would have gone in and kicked some ass, probably killing a bunch of the idiots and justifiably so. The country wouldn't have stood for a bunch of yahoos in costumes taking congressional hostages a la Columbia when Escobar stormed the govt. buildings with tanks and a real army.

[Vēritās]

I get it. Your videos are disturbing and why did Trump wait so long to call for the crowd to disburse? However, there are other stories the partisan Jan 6 committee won't discuss:

Partisan? Don't be an idiot. Everyone who has paid any amount of attention knows Cheney and Kinzinger are Republican. The only reason there weren't more Republicans is because McCarthy only wanted people on the committee who were in some ways complicit with the insurrection and when they were denied he no longer allowed anyone else to cooperate with the committee.

Capitol Police Suspends 6 Officers, Investigates Dozens More After Capitol Riots

What more do you want out of this?

Also, the crowd left and didn't take over the government.

Yes, their attempted coup failed.

They walked around for a while and some idiots stole some trinkets from Pelosi's office.

That's your takeaway? After they violently stormed the capitol and found no more resistance and couldn't find the people they wanted to kill, they just "walked around"?

But they left and congress did their job and Biden is president now.

Yes, and if they had entered just a minute earlier who knows what would have happened. What we do know is their intentions. You seem to be following the same idiotic logic of ajax and FOX News which basically argues that this is overblown because only a tiny fraction of the entire crowd was violent. Uh, yeah, the fraction that was at the entrance. Weird huh? There is no reason to be violent anywhere else other than the point of entry where there was law enforcement attempting to stop them. Just because the rest of the crowd wasn't fighting with each other doesn't mean their intentions were "peaceful." I remember seeing other video footage of protesters at the frontlines getting tired screaming to the back, "we need more people" and immediately a second wave was there to back them up.

Further, let's play it out. What if they zip-tied the congresspersons? If that happened, the military/police would have gone in and kicked some ass, probably killing a bunch of the idiots and justifiably so.

Your delusional. If the military was going to do anything they would have, but they couldn't because their commander in chief was eating popcorn while watching it on FOX News.

The country wouldn't have stood for a bunch of yahoos in costumes taking congressional hostages a la Columbia when Escobar stormed the govt. buildings with tanks and a real army.

Later on, probably. But after how many dead Democrats?

[canpakes]

I get it. Your videos are disturbing and why did Trump wait so long to call for the crowd to disburse? However, there are other stories the partisan Jan 6 committee won't discuss:

https://www.businessinsider.com/capitol ... 021-1?op=1
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/video ... r-selfies/

DrE - these two links basically contain the same material, which is:

- One officer being included in a selfie taken by a protester (as opposed to the officer taking the selfie; there’s a difference. As example, when folks take a selfie of themselves with a resolute Royal Guardsman outside of Buckingham Palace, it’s the tourist taking the selfie, not the other way around, as your link pitches it).

- One vid arguably claiming that a grouping of a half-dozen officers moved a barricade in front of hundreds of protesters… just as the person taking the video stated that the officers were squabbling with the protesters.

- One broken link to another claim of officers ‘letting people in’.

After the rather prolonged fight outside of the building - for which there is hours of video documenting the fighting and aggression - I’m not sure that these two items prove much more than the earlier point of most officers likely just trying to placate the crowd once inside. As asked before - what was the alternative? Should a vastly outnumbered force of officers have tried to start dragging folks out of doors through hundreds more still making their way to the inside? It’s not as if the crowd had shown a willingness to respect police requests prior, as MAGA fans swung hockey sticks, fired off bear repellent and lobbed projectiles at those officers while outside the doors.

Also, the crowd left and didn't take over the government. They walked around for a while and some idiots stole some trinkets from Pelosi's office. But they left and congress did their job and Biden is president now.

They still managed to force Congress out of session with a stated intent to support Trump staying in power. That was the hard part. Past that initial incursion, they didn’t have much more of a plan (rioters usually don’t). What was needed was a further push of their leadership (Trump) to step in at that point, and shut down the confirmation process in the name of ‘public safety’, then proceed with a plan to further delay or end the confirmation process.

Trumps followers have always made good foot soldiers, willing to think and do whatever Trump asked of them. They happily and willingly marched to the Capitol on his direct suggestion, and then violently broke into the building, fueled by Trump’s rhetoric of needing to take back what had been “stolen from them”, and to “fight like hell” to do so. And they did just that. But there were no instructions past that point, because Trump could not have issued any at the preceding rally without directly implicating himself. His usual behavior of letting others do the actual dirty work implicit in his suggestions and partisan rhetoric ran up against the inability of his foot soldiers to think on their own beyond being his pawns, let alone to organize a coherent action once inside. They were left with minor looting, parading with Confederate flags, and crapping on desks.

Further, let's play it out. What if they zip-tied the congresspersons? If that happened, the military/police would have gone in and kicked some ass, probably killing a bunch of the idiots and justifiably so. The country wouldn't have stood for a bunch of yahoos in costumes taking congressional hostages a la Columbia when Escobar stormed the govt. buildings with tanks and a real army.

Is that what would have happened? Did you forget who was still in charge on that day?

All that the rioters really needed to do was to collect inside, and set up a sit-down strike. Do you believe that the Capitol police or National Guard would really start kicking ass on 1000 MAGA protestors that were peacefully refusing to leave? Trump still even managed to tell those same protesters how they were wronged and hated and stolen from - almost as if trying to nudge the crowd into renewed anger - during his video request arguably suggesting that they ‘go home’, which he made three hours after realizing that he had no plan for them and no balls or intellect to formulate and be responsible for one, and that no one else was going to step up in his place and create a takeover plan for him (calling Mike Pence … Mike, are you there? Mike?).

Had anyone in that crowd really thought this through, an effective occupation could have begun that day, and Trump - once someone else was responsible for putting the plan into action - would have ridden that horse as far as it would have taken him in the name of ‘the people’. And, even if that lasted for only 24 hours before falling apart, or the military gently dragging off the occupiers, it most definitely would be the only example in modern US history - and a blatant one, at that - of an insurrection.

[Moksha]

Were these just some tourists who mistakenly entered the White House for a picnic and monster truck rally?
What about the Proud Boys and Oathkeepers in tactical gear? Were they there for a Republican scout jamboree?

[Dr. Shades]

Were these just some tourists who mistakenly entered the White House for a picnic and monster truck rally?

Nobody entered the White House.

[Kishkumen]

Nobody entered the White House.

There was that fat orange dude who left behind all the Big Mac wrappers.

[Moksha]

There was that fat orange dude who left behind all the Big Mac wrappers.

He declassified all the Big Mac wrappers just by thinking about it and then eating the contents.

[Moksha]

With Trump's election announcement, he is now once again the chief albatross of the Republican Party.

[Dr. Shades]

He declassified all the Big Mac wrappers just by thinking about it and then eating the contents.

Big Mac wrappers are classified??

You're losing your touch.