When Fauci speaks, the thinking has been done.

[ajax18]

Trump has often been criticized as authoritarian and a threat to liberal media and 1st amendment rights. In post constitutional America, I couldn't think of a more clear violation of 1st amendment rights than what was pulled off during the global scamdemic government power grab. Unless the partisan party in power agrees with the conclusion your data supports at the time, your evidence must be suppressed and deplatformed and kept away from the American people lest this information influence their vote and the left's grip on power. Someone could decide to risk going to work rather than accumulating debt and die. Such decisions cannot belong to the individual in post constitutional America, but must be reserved those in the administrative state. Anyone who presents conflicting data is a murderer. No longer are issues permitted to be debated in public in front of voters. Voters must only be permitted to know what the Democrat party and the administrative deep state allows. Our first amendment rights have been usurped. Anyone who calls this election interference will lose their job, professional license, etc. Now if you are the appointed bureaucret in authority, you are allowed to evaluate and modify what information or advice you permit voters to know. This means you're practicing good science in changing policy depending on when you're willing to consider conflicting data. But only those in authority can consider data and make these decisions. Citizens can never be allowed to make these choices for themselves.

On Wednesday’s broadcast of “CNN This Morning,” guest co-host and CNN Chief White House Correspondent Phil Mattingly acknowledged that social media platforms would, “more often than not” give in to the regular demands by the Biden administration to censor content that they disagreed with on the coronavirus pandemic, and stated that the administration coordinating with tech companies to censor content “makes sense,” and is “probably what we should do on public health grounds.”

Mattingly said, “[T]he Biden administration would regularly reach out to Twitter and Facebook and other companies in kind of the early stages of their COVID response and say, this person is spreading lies about vaccines, this account is spreading misinformation that is inhibiting — not just our efforts, the administration’s efforts to address COVID — but also public health, do something about it. And often, I think more often than not, the companies would respond and say, okay. And there are emails that came out during the course of this case that that was something that I think — when it was explained to me at the time, I thought, alright, that makes sense, that’s probably what we should do on public health grounds.”

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2023/07 ... should-do/

[canpakes]

ajax, although this meandered a bit, it seems primarily focused on vaccines. With that in mind, I have a couple of questions:

1. Are you anti- all vaccines, or just against the COVID mandate? How did you approach, as example, the polio vaccine with your own family?

2. Amidst accusations of ‘suppressing free speech’, do you believe that the federal or state government has an obligation to ‘look out for’ the general health of the public at large, from a variety of possible health threats?

[Res Ipsa]

Thanks, Ajax for your confirmation that, in todays Idiocracy, the Constitution is a suicide pact.

[ajax18]

ajax, although this meandered a bit, it seems primarily focused on vaccines. With that in mind, I have a couple of questions:

1. Are you anti- all vaccines, or just against the COVID mandate?

The idea that the COVID vaccine stopped people from transmitting the virus turned out to be false.

How did you approach, as example, the polio vaccine with your own family?

I don't remember the government censoring nor calling antivaxxers murderers. Do you?

2. Amidst accusations of ‘suppressing free speech’, do you believe that the federal or state government has an obligation to ‘look out for’ the general health of the public at large, from a variety of possible health threats?

If you disagree with something debate it out and let the people make up their own minds. You don't get to censor speech, especially speech that turns out to be true, just because it cuts against your political narrative, at least you didn't back when the Constitution was still in force.

[drumdude]

Good reminder of the famous authoritarian quote by the brethren.

The brethren who, by the way, told you to get vaccinated…

[canpakes]

ajax, although this meandered a bit, it seems primarily focused on vaccines. With that in mind, I have a couple of questions:

1. Are you anti- all vaccines, or just against the COVID mandate?

The idea that the COVID vaccine stopped people from transmitting the virus turned out to be false.

1a. Do you believe that the COVID vaccine helped some people to weather a COVID infection more easily, or that it had any effect at all on becoming infected?

1b. Are you anti- all vaccines, or just against the COVID mandate?

How did you approach, as example, the polio vaccine with your own family?

I don't remember the government censoring nor calling antivaxxers murderers. Do you?

The polio vaccine was introduced in 1955, before I existed. But I also don’t remember ‘the government’ calling anyone a murderer for not taking either the polio or COVID vaccines.

2. Amidst accusations of ‘suppressing free speech’, do you believe that the federal or state government has an obligation to ‘look out for’ the general health of the public at large, from a variety of possible health threats?

If you disagree with something debate it out and let the people make up their own minds. You don't get to censor speech, especially speech that turns out to be true, just because it cuts against your political narrative, at least you didn't back when the Constitution was still in force.

You make an excellent argument against so-called ‘anti-woke’ or ‘don’t say gay’ legislation restricting certain speech or viewpoints, but I digress. Back to the subject at hand …

I’m not aware of the government directly censoring public debate over COVID, although there were times when corporations modified or restricted the ability of users to share some viewpoints across their platform. Per an update from Twitter on March 27, 2020 (note the date; this was during the previous Administration, even):

"We have broadened our definition of harm to address content that goes directly against guidance from authoritative sources of global and local public health information. Rather than reports, we are enforcing this in close coordination with trusted partners, including public health authorities and governments, and continue to use and consult with information from those sources when reviewing content."

Which leads to these two questions:

Second Amendment. Should a private company or corporation have the right to control their own product in this way?

2b. Should a federal or state government has an obligation to ‘look out for’ the general health of the public at large, from a variety of possible health threats?

[ajax18]

But I also don’t remember ‘the government’ calling anyone a murderer for not taking either the polio or COVID vaccines.

Biden himself said that doctors who offered evidence on social media of negative effects of the COVID vaccine were killing people. This was his justification for censoring their speech. He implicated Facebook and Twitter as well as accessories to homicide if they refused to censor the information as demanded by the deep state. Interestingly several of these physicians have been found dead recently and had this blamed on suicide. These men weren't sucidal and said so while still alive, knowing that they were in the crosshairs of the deep state.

although there were times when corporations modified or restricted the ability of users to share some viewpoints across their platform.

Yeah, like banning users for offering evidence that COVID's origins were a CCP lab rather than a bat as Fauci contended? Do remember that happening or do you still deny it happened?

[Moksha]

Remember when Ajax and Breitbart were pushing the Ivermectin horse suppositories and Trump thought ingesting bleach was a worthwhile thing to do? Conservatives need to get their bodily humors in check: way too much black bile and phlegm.

[canpakes]

But I also don’t remember ‘the government’ calling anyone a murderer for not taking either the polio or COVID vaccines.

Biden himself said that doctors who offered evidence on social media of negative effects of the COVID vaccine were killing people.

No. He was asked by a reporter, “What’s the message for platforms like Facebook?”, in relation to disinformation in general. Check out the video for yourself:

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/politi ... ing-people

Biden didn’t say squat about doctors or anyone else specifically. If you have another quote that you’re referring to, please link to it.

This was his justification for censoring their speech.

Except that this didn’t happen, either.

He implicated Facebook and Twitter as well as accessories to homicide if they refused to censor the information as demanded by the deep state.

Facebook, certainly. And social media can certainly promote disinformation that can kill you (ex., eating those tasty Tide Pods, taking aquarium cleaning pills, etc.). Do you think that every alternative cure promoted across social media should be given testing within your own body? I can’t image that you would, given your skepticism over the most thoroughly tested methods that you’ve been opposed to.

Interestingly several of these physicians have been found dead recently and had this blamed on suicide. These men weren't sucidal and said so while still alive, knowing that they were in the crosshairs of the deep state.

Got some links?

Have you overlooked the incidents wherein a pro-vaccination doctor was harassed by anti-vaxxers to the point of suicide? Or is this news report a hoax?

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/07/31/euro ... index.html

although there were times when corporations modified or restricted the ability of users to share some viewpoints across their platform.

Yeah, like banning users for offering evidence that COVID's origins were a CCP lab rather than a bat as Fauci contended? Do remember that happening or do you still deny it happened?

This complaint always fascinates me, because it seems to center on a need to ‘be right’ about something that’s still unproven, but for what reason, I’m still not sure. After all, if COVID was the creation of a Chinese lab, and then intentionally released - as some folks want to claim - then why are those same folks so strident in their opposition to any mitigation efforts against it?

Why on earth would you tell me that the Chicoms are trying to kill you with a virus, but that you refuse to fight back?

Maybe you can explain this contradiction?

Anyhow, I’m still interested in your answers to these questions:

1. Are you generally anti-vaccine, or just anti-mandate as regards the COVID vaccine?

(In Utah, a child must be immunized against Diphtheria, Tetanus, Pertussis, Polio, Measles, Mumps, and Rubella, in order to be enrolled in school, as example. How would you approach this requirement for your daughter if you lived here? Full disclosure; our kids are vaccinated to meet this requirement)

Second Amendment. Should a private company or corporation have the right to control their own product through limitations on what is posted by users?

2b. Should a federal or state government has an obligation to ‘look out for’ the general health of the public at large, from a variety of possible health threats?

[Res Ipsa]

But I also don’t remember ‘the government’ calling anyone a murderer for not taking either the polio or COVID vaccines.

Interestingly several of these physicians have been found dead recently and had this blamed on suicide. These men weren't sucidal and said so while still alive, knowing that they were in the crosshairs of the deep state.

Link? This sounds like a retread of pre-COVID conspiracy theory promoted by a "holistic" health website. (healthnutnews.com)