Proud To Call America Your Home?

[ceeboo]

From a Statista poll (linked below): Americans on being proud to live in the United States in 2022, by generation.

Baby Boomers (born 1946-1964) - 73%

Gen X (born 1965-1980)- 54%

Millenials - (born 1981-1996) - 36%

Gez Z (born 1997-2012) - 16%

https://www.statista.com/statistics/135 ... w%20source

Only 16 percent of Americans that were born between 1997 and 2012 (Gen Z) are proud to live in America. Wow!

Your thoughts on why this is the case?

[Gadianton]

You know, if I hadn't seen the heading, I would have sworn that is the graph showing distribution of wealth between the generations.

[Fernando]

From a Statista poll (linked below): Americans on being proud to live in the United States in 2022, by generation.

Baby Boomers (born 1946-1964) - 73%

Gen X (born 1965-1980)- 54%

Millenials - (born 1981-1996) - 36%

Gez Z (born 1997-2012) - 16%

https://www.statista.com/statistics/135 ... w%20source

Only 16 percent of Americans that were born between 1997 and 2012 (Gen Z) are proud to live in America. Wow!

Your thoughts on why this is the case?

Why do you say wow? The Marxist Left has been trying to destroy this country for over 50 years. They have hijacked the education system, the press, and social media. The younger generation feels that they are a bunch of racist, homophobic, depressing white supremacists who never should have been born. And the Left, knowing that when there are no Americans, there will be no America as we know it, has slowly plotted to destroy the American Dream. 

[ceeboo]

Hey Fernando

Why do you say wow?

I said "wow" because that number (16%) shocked me. I knew it was bad but.............

The Marxist Left has been trying to destroy this country for over 50 years. They have hijacked the education system, the press, and social media. The younger generation feels that they are a bunch of racist, homophobic, depressing white supremacists who never should have been born.

I agree with you concerning the political hijacking of the education system and the great majority media sources. The good news, in my opinion, at least as it relates to mainstream media sources, is that these media sources will become less and less powerful and they will lose the ability to control the narrative (This is already happening and I think it will only continue to grow, at warp speed, as the population tires of status quo and seeks truth above all), There are many other options that are now available today (podcasts, Rumble, Twitter (now that it's Musk owned), etc) and these options will effectively crush our current media sources while significantly reducing their revenue streams. And that is great for Americans, in my opinion.

[canpakes]

Only 16 percent of Americans that were born between 1997 and 2012 (Gen Z) are proud to live in America. Wow!

Your thoughts on why this is the case?

From your link:

“In 2022, members of Gen Z were between the ages of 18 and 25 years old. Their political views have been developed against the backdrop of COVID-19, social unrest and police brutality, Donald Trump, and the global climate crisis. Along with Millennials, they were the most likely to describe themselves as Independent rather than loyal to a particular political party, and the least likely generation to be Republican.

Gen Z have lower trust in government than previous generations and are more likely to worry about wages than any other generation. Combined with a decreased purchasing power compared to other generations at similar points in their careers, this perhaps provides insight into Gen Z's reticence when it comes to American exceptionalism.

Gen Z as consumers
Members of Gen Z are unlike any other bracket of consumers in the United States. Born into a digitized world, they are the most tech-savvy consumers yet. While they are more likely to shop online than any other generation, they are significantly more motivated by their personal values and happy to explore new products. Companies will need to maintain a consistent brand-image to keep Gen Z shoppers on board – given the Zoomers decreased brand loyalty, and increased inclination to buy secondhand products.”

[Gadianton]

Fernando,

The Marxist Left has been trying to destroy this country for over 50 years. They have hijacked the education system, the press, and social media.

Ceeboo is only telling you half of the good news.

As you point out, there are quite a few liberals in education who are Marxists, and openly refer to themselves as Marxists. Many more are perhaps secretly Marxists, but it's a matter of record that a very many of left-leaning academics consider themselves Marxists.

Donald Trump has been making a new promise to his base during his recent rallies, saying:

Using federal law, I will order my government to deny entry to all Communists and all Marxists

Now, if you don't know much about immigration law, which you almost certainly don't, what this means is say that I'm a US citizen and a Marxist, I go on vacation to France, and then when I come back they scan my American passport. If Trump's committee to identify Marxists has me on a database that gets searched upon the scan, then I'm denied entry into the United States.

I'm curious if you think this would be a good first step for a president to rectify the problem that you and Ceeboo so deeply believe exists.

[honorentheos]

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=157630

From the first page:

I watched this Youtube video this weekend and thought others may find it interesting as well. The subject is ostensibly the evolution of movie narrative from its roots in moderism through today where the deconstruction of postmodernism and often nihilist or absurdist inevitability it brings to art, to the increasing search for meaning and sincerity within the many strands of narratives of hyper-modernism.

https://youtu.be/5xEi8qg266g

And, frankly, true to the subject, I thought there is much more to take from this than a video essay on film. The topic extends to every topic we discuss on this board. It is, at many levels, truly a discussion of...art.

Honoretheos, I watched and have put a little effort into considering but am a bit unsure where to proceed. There is postmodern in visual arts, philosophy and literary criticism. I think it is a bit of a different thing in each with perhaps some similarities. Is it a blessing that we have little postmodern popular music, or sort of popular music?

The look at movies pointed out shifts in stylistic trends , changes in what sort of methods are favored or employed. The most recent movie mentioned which I have seen was Once upon a time in Hollywood which I found to be a surprisingly effective movie. I do not see a philosophical reflection in the choices of how the movie was made. It is probably true that the mix of strategies used have been developed in the past few decades. Familiarity would make it easier to make the fictional retelling of real events work. Most everybody watching the movie would know about the substantial divergence from the real events. The tension between fact a fiction becomes an expressive commentary on the facts. (as is all good fiction despite its relationship to modernism, what ever form of that may be in view)

I once heard the best definition of pop media on NPR, which was, "Pop is anything that does the work for you." It's such a subjective (postmodern?) take on what constitutes pop culture and pop media yet seems to capture exactly what makes "pop" pop. The converse being media that demands a cost to appreciate it fully, usually through both study and attempts at practice. Jazz has both a low and high bar for appreciation. Low in that it can be pleasantly "pop" in its own right. High, in that the best jazz musicians can only be appreciated by being familiar with the structure of the music. Coltrane is appreciable at almost any level, but to see his genius requires more than tuning in. Visual media being the same, I think your conversations with Morley about art highlights there are points that only land when the other party is sufficiently prepared to understand the references, follow where the other person is not just pointing to, but where the point originates.

In that sense, I think the video essay benefits from someone being a bit of a film aficionado. Knowing the films, even the ones he only uses visuals from but doesn't mention or break down probably leads to moments of recognition and intuition that help explain it that I assume exist everywhere but on reflection shouldn't.

One aspect of this I think matters is narrative - both as storytelling devices we use to convey information to others. And as devices we use to explain the world to ourselves. The narrative of the essay is about the narrative of film as a medium in which one can see the zeitgeist of a time. And it makes sense that there aren't many post-modern pop songs except when someone does something for the lolz and the folks being lol'd at miss the joke and buy the single. That happens more often than we may realize, really.

But there's a broader point here. I think our society is at a point where we've deconstructed ourselves into societal failure. While I didn't agree with MG's points, I actually agreed with MG's concerns in the broad strokes in his thread where he mistakenly blamed Gen Z for being irreligious and ruining society as a result. And like the essay points out, those who would push a return to High Noon or, more likely, Top Gun Maverik, aren't responding to the state of the world as it is but as they fantasize how it OUGHT to be. MG would have the world return to making High Noon.

Now, folks like Culty and many others who post as contrarians are far along the deconstruction of postmodernism to the point they don't care about anything beyond their myopic ego-centric emotions. They would see the world only as No Country for Old Men, and piss on anyone who says they like that movie at the same time. There's no future with the populist bullshitters because there is no actual "there" there, just criticism of what others think or believe or do or vote or participate in the meaningless machine of society. And it's easy to imagine there is meaning and purpose in just opposing their nihilism through critic or absurdity. Why not? Nothing matters.

So that gets to the point about hypermodernism and metamodernism. If postmodernism asserts the end of ideologies because any one person's ideology will disadvantage someone else, and hypermodernism is the overwhelming cacophony of ideological views being pushed through all the forms of media that demand a person code shift constantly to simple tread water in the sea of multiplicity of competing realities, how does one find meaning? I think most anyone who has left religion gets accused of descending into meaningless existence. And the response back that there is meaning in one's life and relationships gets met with a stiff-armed defense in favor of the interloper's ideology of choice. I think there's something to this idea that as we, as a society, struggle with not rejecting the varied experiences and realities of others, as individuals we do need to make meaning that works for us. And there is the metamodern.

[ceeboo]

Fernando,

The Marxist Left has been trying to destroy this country for over 50 years. They have hijacked the education system, the press, and social media.

Ceeboo is only telling you half of the good news.

As you point out, there are quite a few liberals in education who are Marxists, and openly refer to themselves as Marxists. Many more are perhaps secretly Marxists, but it's a matter of record that a very many of left-leaning academics consider themselves Marxists.

Donald Trump has been making a new promise to his base during his recent rallies, saying:

Using federal law, I will order my government to deny entry to all Communists and all Marxists

Now, if you don't know much about immigration law, which you almost certainly don't, what this means is say that I'm a US citizen and a Marxist, I go on vacation to France, and then when I come back they scan my American passport. If Trump's committee to identify Marxists has me on a database that gets searched upon the scan, then I'm denied entry into the United States.

I'm curious if you think this would be a good first step for a president to rectify the problem that you and Ceeboo so deeply believe exists.

"Ceeboo so deeply believes exists?" Can you point me to the post where I said anything at all about what you are suggesting here? I only had one exchange with Fernando in the thread, so, even for someone like you who struggles to think clearly, rationally, and with balance, it really shouldn't be that difficult for you to point it out to me.

I'm curious if your imagination is really this wild or if you just use your imagination, as an excuse or a tool, in order to suggest things about people that you find helpful.

[canpakes]

The Marxist Left has been trying to destroy this country for over 50 years. They have hijacked the education system, the press, and social media.

Ceeboo is only telling you half of the good news.

I’m wondering how long in this thread that the actual reasons given by Gen Z recipients (text above in blue) and presented within the same link Ceeboo provided will be ignored by folks substituting in the supposed reason for dissatisfaction as being, ‘marxists have taken over the education system’. : D

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

Your thoughts on why this is the case?

Why don’t you and Fernando read what you both wrote in this thread, and then ask yourselves how you come across to younger generations. You’re shifting personal and group accountability for the offenses you yourselves brought to light.

- Doc