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Re: If Trump WAS Sent by God...
Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2024 6:55 am
by msnobody
One person says there is a God, another says there is no God. One or the other is wrong.
Re: If Trump WAS Sent by God...
Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2024 11:57 am
by honorentheos
msnobody wrote: ↑Mon Apr 08, 2024 6:55 am
One person says there is a God, another says there is no God. One or the other is wrong.
And yet neither can conclusively prove their position is correct. The fact both can exist illustrates the problem with declaring the absolute truth of the matter is accessible.
Instead, we are left to examine the claims and evidence, and compare them to what we can access.
Is there a god? I don't know. I DO know the claims behind the Judeo-Christian god are in conflict with a myriad of evidence. Often this is dismissed as insignificant compared to a person's certitude about the existence of said God. The certitude is independent of the honest examination of the evidence.
Re: If Trump WAS Sent by God...
Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2024 1:28 pm
by Some Schmo
msnobody wrote: ↑Mon Apr 08, 2024 6:55 am
One person says there is a God, another says there is no God. One or the other is wrong.
One person says there is a God, another says she disagrees. I haven't heard that many people declare there is no god, likely because that's just as baseless as saying there is one.
There's a huge difference between asserting there's no god and disagreeing with the numerous god concepts. I suspect you disagree with the idea of Zeus and Thor being real. If so, you have an idea of how people like me view the god of the Bible.
Re: If Trump WAS Sent by God...
Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2024 1:24 am
by Gunnar
Some Schmo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 08, 2024 1:28 pm
msnobody wrote: ↑Mon Apr 08, 2024 6:55 am
One person says there is a God, another says there is no God. One or the other is wrong.
One person says there is a God, another says she disagrees. I haven't heard that many people declare there is no god, likely because that's just as baseless as saying there is one.
There's a huge difference between asserting there's no god and disagreeing with the numerous god concepts. I suspect you disagree with the idea of Zeus and Thor being real. If so, you have an idea of how people like me view the god of the Bible.
That's a valid point. There is indeed a lot of difference between pointing out the conflicts between provable reality, sound reason, inconsistencies of and the claims of particular god concepts (including the Judeo/Christian/Islamic concepts of God) and dogmatically denying that there can be any such as a being or entity that deserves the appellation "God." I can't say with absolute certainty that there is not or cannot be any such thing as a god. All I know for certain is that no concept of God I have yet heard of really makes sense or rings true to me. Being an atheist does not necessarily mean insisting that there can be no god of any kind. It is just an acknowledgement that one has not yet found (or no longer finds) any compelling or satisfactory justification for believing in one.