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Remembering Trump on Political Violence

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2024 7:59 pm
by Kishkumen
Commenting on the attempt on the Pelosis:
“Donald J. Trump” wrote:I purposely didn't comment on Nancy Pelosi's very weird story concerning her husband, but now I can because she said something about me, with glee, that was really quite vicious. 'I saw a scared puppy,' she said, as she watched me on television, like millions of others, that didn't see that. I wasn't 'scared.' Nevertheless, how mean a thing to say! She is a Wicked Witch whose husbands journey from hell starts and finishes with her. She is a sick & demented psycho who will someday live in HELL!

Re: Remembering Trump on Political Violence

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2024 8:05 pm
by Kishkumen
AXIOS has a decent list of Trump’s sketchy statements regarding violence:
Trump made statements condoning and encouraging violence throughout his presidency.

July 2017: During a speech to law enforcement officers in Long Island, New York, Trump seemingly encouraged police officers to be rough with people they were arresting, per ABC News. "Please don't be too nice," he told the audience.

August 2017: In the aftermath of the white nationalist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, Trump failed to unequivocally condemn the violence and said "many sides" were to blame, failing to distinguish between those who participated in the "Unite the Right" rally and those who showed up in opposition to it.

October 2018: While speaking at a Montana campaign rally, Trump publicly praised Montana's then-Rep. Greg Gianforte (R) — the state's current governor — for previously assaulting a reporter. "Any guy that can do a body slam, he is my type!" Trump said.

October 2019: A New York Times report outlined various strategies Trump had allegedly deliberated to keep migrants away from the U.S. southern border, including a water-filled trench with snakes or alligators and shooting migrants in the legs to slow them down.

May 2020: Trump used violent rhetoric when referring to protests in Minneapolis in the wake of George Floyd’s killing, tweeting, "when the looting starts, the shooting starts." The phrase has a racist history going back to police brutality against Black Americans in the 1960s, per the New York Times.

June 2020: Trump threatened to use the U.S. military to quell Black Lives Matter protests across the country. "If a city or state refuses to take the actions necessary to defend the life and property of their residents, then I will deploy the United States military and quickly solve the problem for them," Trump said.

August 2020: Trump expressed interest in sending the National Guard to Portland, Oregon, to confront protesters, per Vox. "We could fix Portland in, I would say, 45 minutes," Trump said.

September 2020: Trump lauded law enforcement officers for killing Michael Forest Reinoehl, a self-described Antifa member suspected of killing a right-wing activist the previous month. "That’s the way it has to be. There has to be retribution," Vox reported.

September 2020: When offered the chance to unequivocally condemn white supremacist violence during the first presidential debate, Trump failed to do so, instead telling the far-right Proud Boys that they should "stand back and stand by."

January 2021: At a rally preceding the Jan. 6 Capitol riot, Trump repeated false claims that the 2020 election had been stolen and told supporters that "we're going to walk down to the Capitol," adding that "you'll never take back our country with weakness."
See https://www.axios.com/2022/05/02/Trump ... presidency

Re: Remembering Trump on Political Violence

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2024 8:08 pm
by Kishkumen
An ABC news article on the same topic:

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/ba ... d=48415766

Re: Remembering Trump on Political Violence

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2024 8:12 pm
by Kishkumen
Trump on the potential for political violence if he does not win:
“I don’t think we’re going to have that,” the presumptive GOP nominee told Time magazine. “I think we’re going to win. And if we don’t win, you know, it depends. It always depends on the fairness of an election.”
See https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/04/30/pol ... -interview

Re: Remembering Trump on Political Violence

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2024 8:15 pm
by Kishkumen
An article from shortly after Jan 6 concerning Trump’s record of encouraging and inciting violence:

https://www.vox.com/21506029/Trump-viol ... ate-speech

Re: Remembering Trump on Political Violence

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2024 8:18 pm
by Kishkumen
On the other hand, expressions in favor of anti-Trump violence are on the rise:

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/ar ... l-violence
A survey conducted in late June from the University of Chicago found that there is now more support for violence against Trump (10% of American adults, or 26 million people) compared with violence in favor of Trump (6.9%, or 18 million people). Until January, the survey showed there was more support for violence in favor of Trump.
And of the 26 million American adults who support violence to prevent Trump from regaining the presidency, more than 30% own guns and almost 80% have access to internet organizational tools.
“There are more violent anti-Trump sentiments than pro-Trump sentiments,” Bob Pape, a professor at the University of Chicago who directs the Chicago Project on Security and Threats, had said in an interview before the incident on Saturday night.
“So we have to be prepared for violence coming from the left in opposition to Trump’s rule.”

Re: Remembering Trump on Political Violence

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2024 8:22 pm
by Kishkumen
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politic ... al-media/
Perhaps the most pronounced recent example came Tuesday. On his Truth Social platform, Trump shared the message of a user actively encouraging physical violence on his behalf.
Discussing a hypothetical effort to disqualify Trump from office, the user said anyone behind such an effort “will have to figure out how to fight 80,000,000 + it’s not going to happen again.”
“People my age and old will physically fight for him this time,” the user said. “What we got to lose ? I’ll donate the rest of my time here on this planet to do it. And I know many many others who feel the same. They got my 6 and we Are Locked and LOADED.”

Re: Remembering Trump on Political Violence

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2024 8:27 pm
by Kishkumen
Trump’s statement about assassination attempt:
“We will FEAR NOT, but instead remain resilient in our Faith and Defiant in the face of Wickedness,” the former president posted on his Truth Social platform on Sunday.

“In this moment, it is more important than ever that we stand United, and show our True Character as Americans, remaining Strong and Determined, and not allowing Evil to Win,” he added, saying: “It was God alone who prevented the unthinkable from happening”.
https://www.ft.com/content/df6617ae-c5 ... 8310fd5f4

Re: Remembering Trump on Political Violence

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2024 8:27 pm
by Gadianton
Kishkumen wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2024 7:59 pm
Commenting on the attempt on the Pelosis:
“Donald J. Trump” wrote:I purposely didn't comment on Nancy Pelosi's very weird story concerning her husband, but now I can because she said something about me, with glee, that was really quite vicious. 'I saw a scared puppy,' she said, as she watched me on television, like millions of others, that didn't see that. I wasn't 'scared.' Nevertheless, how mean a thing to say! She is a Wicked Witch whose husbands journey from hell starts and finishes with her. She is a sick & demented psycho who will someday live in HELL!
There's a better clip where Trump says Pelosi ruined crazy San Francisco and then pauses for an aside and says, "How's her husband doing by the way?"

And the audience erupts with laughter.

Re: Remembering Trump on Political Violence

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2024 8:31 pm
by Kishkumen
Gadianton wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2024 8:27 pm
There's a better clip where Trump says Pelosi ruined crazy San Francisco and then pauses for an aside and says, "How's her husband doing by the way?"

And the audience erupts with laughter.
He has a poor record speaking on the issue of violence, and I think it has served to make *everyone* more inured to the use of violence as a form of political expression.