Assassination Attempt - Secret Service - DEI

[ceeboo]

The attempted assassination of Trump will be one of those moments in time that will be talked about and remembered for decades to come.

I think there will be a lot of critical analysis done on the event, the secret service, as well as information about how this could have possibly happened - and that I believe many people will instantly dismiss as conspiracy theories without even looking at the information.

In this thread, I wanted to consider what effects, if any, the Secret Service's DEI program has had on the organization. The Secret Service has a "30 4 30" in play - meaning they want to achieve having 30% of SS agents to be female by the year 2030.

I watched the below linked Megyn Kelly podcast.
"Did Secret Service DEI Efforts Contribute to Trump Assassination Attempt?'] (about 11 minutes)

https://youtu.be/zOEDQ_tXOYk?si=ToMZw2_vOEQ2w8nz

The microphone is open - You have the floor.

[Binger]

A 30 4 30 goal for the SS makes more sense than a 30 4 30 goal for an NFL team - but not much more.

[Kishkumen]

I think the easy solution is this: anyone who is qualified to do a job should be treated as an applicant on an equal basis for that job. If you have to lower the standards to the point where you are compromising the ability to do the job, then you need to rethink things.

[Some Schmo]

I think the easy solution is this: anyone who is qualified to do a job should be treated as an applicant on an equal basis for that job. If you have to lower the standards to the point where you are compromising the ability to do the job, then you need to rethink things.

Agreed.

It's funny how so many Republicans balk at DEI on the basis of competence, and then vote for Trump. Hard to take their complaints seriously.

[Doctor Steuss]

I believe there's no denying that the female agent who was too short to properly shield Trump with her body who took position at front, and seemed more worried about her sunglasses than the situation, is incredibly bad. The other that wasn't looking for identifying the threat, or protecting the President, but instead keeping herself safe, is also incredibly bad.

I believe there's no denying that the seemingly shambolic movements of the female agent who couldn't even manage to have control over her sidearm is bad.

These things are entirely unacceptable for what should be an elite organization tasked with protecting former and current government employees and candidates.

To what extent DEI played in this, I don't know. I think that it could likely also be the Peter Principle at play here (i.e. agents who did well in other posts, assignments, testing, etc., who were promoted within the bureaucratic meritocracy to their level of incompetence).

I think it's important though, if looking at DEI as the culprit to also remember that it was male snipers who failed to neutralize the threat until it was too late. Eighty-six seconds passed between police being forewarned about the shooter by people, and shots being fired. Eighty-six seconds. I also doubt it was solely female agents who failed to secure a vulnerability that had been previously identified when pre-screening the area. How many male agents, and male police officers failed to act? There were a lot of failures, and a lot of people who didn't do their jobs.

Hopefully Biden holds true to his promise that the investigation findings will be made public, in their entirety.

Incidentally, when Trump was President in 2017, two male White House stationed agents were fired for their failure to protect him. Sometimes incompetence doesn't need a culture war boogey man to blame.

[ceeboo]

I believe there's no denying that the female agent who was too short to properly shield Trump with her body who took position at front, and seemed more worried about her sunglasses than the situation, is incredibly bad. The other that wasn't looking for identifying the threat, or protecting the President, but instead keeping herself safe, is also incredibly bad.

I believe there's no denying that the seemingly shambolic movements of the female agent who couldn't even manage to have control over her sidearm is bad.

These things are entirely unacceptable for what should be an elite organization tasked with protecting former and current government employees and candidates.

To what extent DEI played in this, I don't know. I think that it could likely also be the Peter Principle at play here (i.e. agents who did well in other posts, assignments, testing, etc., who were promoted within the bureaucratic meritocracy to their level of incompetence).

I think it's important though, if looking at DEI as the culprit to also remember that it was male snipers who failed to neutralize the threat until it was too late. Eighty-six seconds passed between police being forewarned about the shooter by people, and shots being fired. Eighty-six seconds. I also doubt it was solely female agents who failed to secure a vulnerability that had been previously identified when pre-screening the area. How many male agents, and male police officers failed to act? There were a lot of failures, and a lot of people who didn't do their jobs.

Hopefully Biden holds true to his promise that the investigation findings will be made public, in their entirety.

Incidentally, when Trump was President in 2017, two male White House stationed agents were fired for their failure to protect him. Sometimes incompetence doesn't need a culture war boogey man to blame.

Thanks for a thoughtful and fair reply, Steuss. For what it's worth, I agree with everything you said (everything obviously includes the male sniper's failure)

Lastly, from the information I have been looking at, it was over 120 seconds that passed. Anyway, maybe a thread will appear discussing this as well as other pieces of relevant information that cause people to blurt out WTF!

[Doctor Steuss]

Lastly, from the information I have been looking at, it was over 120 seconds that passed. Anyway, maybe a thread will appear discussing this as well as other pieces of relevant information that cause people to blurt out WTF!

I keep trying to remind myself that it's easy for me to armchair. I'll never be faced with the choice of looking at another human being, and making a decision in seconds whether I need to take their life. But, I've also never been trained specifically for threat identification and the ability to take a human life.

That said, counting it out (1 Mississippi, 2 Mississippi...) really starts to make it absolutely baffling, even getting to 20 seconds.


[Edited to add a very important "never" to being trained]

[Res Ipsa]

I believe there's no denying that the female agent who was too short to properly shield Trump with her body who took position at front, and seemed more worried about her sunglasses than the situation, is incredibly bad. The other that wasn't looking for identifying the threat, or protecting the President, but instead keeping herself safe, is also incredibly bad.

I believe there's no denying that the seemingly shambolic movements of the female agent who couldn't even manage to have control over her sidearm is bad.

These things are entirely unacceptable for what should be an elite organization tasked with protecting former and current government employees and candidates.

To what extent DEI played in this, I don't know. I think that it could likely also be the Peter Principle at play here (i.e. agents who did well in other posts, assignments, testing, etc., who were promoted within the bureaucratic meritocracy to their level of incompetence).

I think it's important though, if looking at DEI as the culprit to also remember that it was male snipers who failed to neutralize the threat until it was too late. Eighty-six seconds passed between police being forewarned about the shooter by people, and shots being fired. Eighty-six seconds. I also doubt it was solely female agents who failed to secure a vulnerability that had been previously identified when pre-screening the area. How many male agents, and male police officers failed to act? There were a lot of failures, and a lot of people who didn't do their jobs.

Hopefully Biden holds true to his promise that the investigation findings will be made public, in their entirety.

Incidentally, when Trump was President in 2017, two male White House stationed agents were fired for their failure to protect him. Sometimes incompetence doesn't need a culture war boogey man to blame.

Good points. The agents that failed to prevent the actual shooting were male. DEI has become the MAGA boogeyman for everything that goes wrong today. It's pure grievance theater. Attacking DEI every time a woman or a male POC makes a mistake is 100% racist and sexist. MAGA claims they are not racist or sexist. Well, they should put their money where there mouth is: evaluate the actions of each agent based on what they've been trained to do. If they can't execute what they've been trained to do, fire them. If MAGA sincerely objects to identity politics, it should stop playing identity politics.

[ceeboo]

That said, counting it out (1 Mississippi, 2 Mississippi...) really starts to make it absolutely baffling, even getting to 20 seconds.

Yeah - It really is baffling.

One thing I know for sure, we will be hearing more about this. A lot more.

[ceeboo]

DEI has become the MAGA boogeyman for everything that goes wrong today.

BS!

It's pure grievance theater.

BS!

Attacking DEI every time a woman or a male POC makes a mistake is 100% racist and sexist.

Complete and utter BS!