If a Democrat suggested tariffs instead of Trump, progressives would be throwing a party over those tariffs!

[Hound of Heaven]

Let's clarify something right from the start, Trump's approach to tariffs, alongside efforts to reduce income and business taxes, is an innovative strategy that hasn't been attempted in our lifetime. This concept could easily have been proposed by my party, just as it is currently being presented as a feasible option by the Republican Party.

However, it appears that the Democratic Party, influenced by the fervent disease of wokeness, struggles to grasp how Trump's actions could potentially benefit middle to lower-income Americans. What are Trump's actual intentions? For the first time in my lifetime, Trump is attempting to provide Americans with a way of life where individuals earning $150,000 or less can live without paying federal income tax. Additionally, if they opt to purchase only American-made products, they will never incur a tariff.

This means he is the first president in over a century to present Americans with a lifestyle entirely free from federal taxes. In my opinion, that's a significant victory for Americans! However, it seems that progressives believe that everyone, including the cashier at 7/11 and the young woman flipping burgers at McDonald's, should contribute to paying taxes.

Here’s how Trump is attempting to provide Americans with a lifestyle that is free from federal tax, should they opt for it. 1. He is cutting government expenditures 2. He is reducing federal individual and corporate income taxes, along with other taxes. 3. Reducing regulations 4. Reducing the scale of government. He is managing all of this while simultaneously raising tariffs, not out of a preference for tariffs, but in an effort to enhance fair trade. Once trade is regulated and we engage in equitable exchanges with other nations, tariffs will generate more revenue for the government than current tax rates.

Here are some important facts. From the establishment of the nation until 1913, there was no income tax, and the tariff rate stood at approximately 20%. Between 1750 and 1850, a significant industrial revolutions occurred, and during this time, there was no income tax, only tariffs. The second significant industrial revolution occurred between 1850 and 1913, characterized by the absence of income tax and reliance solely on tariffs. Trump's objective for Americans is to initiate the third greatest industrial revolution by reducing spending and government regulations, allowing thousands of companies to return to America and manufacture goods and products on our own soil.

All of Trump's efforts are aimed at fostering growth. His plan focuses on the middle class, enabling them to prosper once more. What industries is Trump attempting to bring back to America? I will share that with you. In terms of our imports, capital goods ranked first in 2023, excluding automotive, totaling 859 billion. The two primary categories of capital goods imported were electrical devices and computers. Consumer goods ranked as the second largest commodity imported by the U.S., totaling 757 billion. Pharmaceutical preparations ranked as the leading commodity, closely followed by household goods. Next on the list were industrial supplies and materials, totaling 675 billion. That includes crude oil followed by petroleum products and industrial supplies. Trump is observing the global landscape and has concluded that we depend too heavily on other nations for essential items we require daily, such as medications and various products. He is working to encourage the relocation of companies that manufacture these goods back to the United States, aiming to enhance our self-sufficiency as a nation.

As I have mentioned on this board numerous times, Trump's approach to cutting spending and implementing tariffs transcends party lines, whether Republican or Democrat. What he’s doing could have been and should have been suggested by a Democratic president, which would have made me even happier than I am with Trump trying to slash spending, but unfortunately it wasn’t. Nonetheless, it is still being accomplished, and overall, it represents a net benefit for the nation, particularly for lower and middle class Americans.

For the first time in my life, an American president is attempting to establish a completely new way of living for lower to middle class Americans, where, if they opt to buy American, they could potentially go through their entire lives without ever paying federal income tax. That's truly remarkable!

I feel compelled to reiterate this because I recognize that many who are reading this are progressives, and struggle to grasp when something beneficial is being presented, especially if their perspectives have been influenced by prevailing ideologies. Trump is trying to establish a new American lifestyle that could be lived entirely free from federal income tax and tariffs if one chooses. That has not occurred in more than a century.

If we could find a way to persuade progressives that there is indeed a remedy for the woke virus, it might lead to a more mature and cooperative approach, enabling us to unite as a nation. Together, Democrats and Republicans could strive to improve our quality of life, ensuring that our children and grandchildren can enjoy a future free from federal income tax.

[Gadianton]

Get real. Tariffs can potentially work as a scalpel along with subsidies to accomplish geo-political goals, but nobody that you think is a progressive on this forum would support Biden if he put up a wall of tariffs enough crash the stock market and push us into a recession.

The main one playing identity politics is you.

[Hound of Heaven]

Get real. Tariffs can potentially work as a scalpel along with subsidies to accomplish geo-political goals, but nobody that you think is a progressive on this forum would support Biden if he put up a wall of tariffs enough crash the stock market and push us into a recession.

The main one playing identity politics is you.

Welcome back to my thread. I anticipated that your playful ultimatum of withholding discussion on my thread until I professed my love for you wouldn't endure for long, and it seems I was right! Did the clever image I created for you influence your decision?

[Hound of Heaven]

https://youtu.be/LayOiPkvKBw?si=WhP03Oej7ODMtRE-
I posted this video in another thread, but it’s pertinent here as well since Gadianton believes that Democrats oppose the use of tariffs. Nancy Pelosi is providing an explanation of reciprocal tariffs.

[dantana]

What industries is Trump attempting to bring back to America?

When I go to the nutritionist I explain to her she cannot give me a one-size-fits-all diet. I will not eat kelp for breakfast lunch and dinner. You must adjust for real life. When I go to the driving range I tell the instructor, I am not 25 anymore. you must adjust you lesson for someone whose left arm does not pivot on a swivel. You must adjust for real life.

When I go to the White House I tell Trump - Manufacturing cannot turn on a plant like throwing a light switch. You want to bring jobs and manufacturing back to the states? Great. Fine. Wonderful idea. I hate cheap offshore product as much as the next guy. But, you cannot come in throwing bombs and expect the American voter to re-hire your party four years from now, which is the amount of time - and more, that it takes to get a plant on the ground. The Am. voter is fickle and has the focus of a herd of squirrels. Hell, you will prob. be impeached again in two years because of your antics. You need to adjust to the times, read the room instead of throwing haymakers and you would have had a much better chance of buying your party another term after you. Which is what it will take to get a manufacturer to feel safe. Projected stability.

[Hound of Heaven]

What industries is Trump attempting to bring back to America?

When I go to the nutritionist I explain to her she cannot give me a one-size-fits-all diet. I will not eat kelp for breakfast lunch and dinner. You must adjust for real life. When I go to the driving range I tell the instructor, I am not 25 anymore. you must adjust you lesson for someone whose left arm does not pivot on a swivel. You must adjust for real life.

When I go to the White House I tell Trump - Manufacturing cannot turn on a plant like throwing a light switch. You want to bring jobs and manufacturing back to the states? Great. Fine. Wonderful idea. I hate cheap offshore product as much as the next guy. But, you cannot come in throwing bombs and expect the American voter to re-hire your party four years from now, which is the amount of time - and more, that it takes to get a plant on the ground. The Am. voter is fickle and has the focus of a herd of squirrels. Hell, you will prob. be impeached again in two years because of your antics. You need to adjust to the times, read the room instead of throwing haymakers and you would have had a much better chance of buying your party another term after you. Which is what it will take to get a manufacturer to feel safe. Projected stability.

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You seem to be missing the point! Following the election, the Democrats faced a decision, they could collaborate with the Republicans to demonstrate unity, positioning themselves advantageously for the 2026 elections. Instead, they opted to deepen their delusions by shifting further left and strengthening a progressive approach that opposes Trump on all fronts. Opposing Trump on every initiative he proposes as president may provide a sense of relief to the delicate sensibilities of a progressive's distorted view of reality, but it is alienating the American electorate from the Democratic party.

A new Dailymail poll shows that Trump has gained 4 percentage points in his favorability rating since implementing tariffs. Once again, the progressives have opted to align themselves with the wrong side, demonstrating a willingness to sway to the rhythm of a suicide dance that will lead them off the edge of a cliff!

[Markk]

Let's clarify something right from the start, Trump's approach to tariffs, alongside efforts to reduce income and business taxes, is an innovative strategy that hasn't been attempted in our lifetime. This concept could easily have been proposed by my party, just as it is currently being presented as a feasible option by the Republican Party.

Ironically, the Democrat's did in the 90's. And even Biden, or whoever was running the progressive policy think tank at the White House (Obama?), saw tariffs as a necessity, and that free trade, however hopeful, was a total fail.

[Hound of Heaven]

Let's clarify something right from the start, Trump's approach to tariffs, alongside efforts to reduce income and business taxes, is an innovative strategy that hasn't been attempted in our lifetime. This concept could easily have been proposed by my party, just as it is currently being presented as a feasible option by the Republican Party.

Ironically, the Democrat's did in the 90's. And even Biden, or whoever was running the progressive policy think tank at the White House (Obama?), saw tariffs as a necessity, and that free trade, however hopeful, was a total fail.

It’s quite ironic and deeply frustrating to observe the Democrats persist with the same progressive policies that initially contributed to Trump’s election! It seems that the democrats leading the party have been stripped of their resolve by the progressives and are unable to assertively declare that enough is enough! Your extreme progressive policies are the primary reason Trump is in office and why he has a Republican House and Senate.

I genuinely cannot comprehend what is happening within my party! It feels as though we, as a collective, have plunged into a psychotic episode from which we cannot find a way to escape. Trump has fundamentally shattered the heart and soul of the Democrat Party. Rather than acknowledging their defeat at the hands of a single individual, the Democrats, in a state of denial, have opted to amplify the very rhetoric that contributed to their loss initially.

I’m not sure if this is the best analogy, but what’s happening to my party feels like being in a car with someone at the wheel who has a mental condition that prevents them from grasping basic common sense. As we speed down the road, a concrete wall looms a quarter mile ahead. The passengers urge the driver to exercise caution and adjust the car's speed. Rather than decelerating, the misguided progressive in the driver's seat opts to accelerate, believing that reaching the wall quickly will somehow benefit the group due to the time gained, completely ignoring the fact that this reckless decision could endanger the lives of all passengers in the vehicle.

[Gadianton]

Welcome back to my thread. I anticipated that your playful ultimatum of withholding discussion on my thread until I professed my love for you wouldn't endure for long, and it seems I was right! Did the clever image I created for you influence your decision?

This is a different thread, I only read the title, and your image didn't go through, at least at the time I viewed the thread. I also anticipated that you would consider my participation in another thread as a victory over me. Whatever makes you feel better about yourself, Hound.

You don't appear to have a good understanding of embedding images and it takes you a few tries. I don't fault you on this, as I struggle as well. I very seldom post images because of my lack of skills to do so. But when I do, usually they are of graphs and important things, not silly jokes like you post.

One could liken your ability to embed an image to Trump's ability to impose a tariff.

[canpakes]

For the first time in my lifetime, Trump is attempting to provide Americans with a way of life where individuals earning $150,000 or less can live without paying federal income tax.

Hound, the value of all imports currently stands at $3.3 trillion.

The amount of all income tax receipts reported by some sources is as much as $4.9 trillion.

Folks earning $150K or less still provide about a quarter of receipts.

Calculate the amount of tariffs required to make your claim a reality.

Then, tell me how lower- and middle-class families will be paying those tariffs and doing better economically than under the current progressive tax structure.