What or Who Is An Enemy?

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What or Who Is An Enemy?

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If you cherish our Constitution and our Republic, then Trump is your enemy. If you believe that you cherish those things but support Trump, then you do not understand our Constitution or our Republic. Trump is the enemy of the Constitution and the Republic. He is violating the Constitution in multiple ways, the most recent being his defiance of a the Supreme Court decision directing Trump to facilitate the return of Ábrego García. He violated the due process rights of all of the Venezuelans who were sent to El Salvador, too. Now, Trump has openly and on multiple occasions expressed his desire to send US citizen "criminals" to Salvadoran prisons.

Trump's casual rejection of due process means that Trump has decided that he alone gets to decide who is or is not a criminal. This means that no one here is safe from Trump. All that needs to happen now is for Trump to step over the threshold of the door he has opened to exercise fully his dictatorial power over all of us. Trump is nullifying the Constitution.

So, who is your enemy? Trump is your enemy. His administration and every elected official who supports him is your enemy. Those who work for him are your enemies. Those who aid and abet him in his dictatorship are your enemies. People on this discussion board who justify Trump's actions are your enemies. Markk is your enemy. Hound of Heaven is your enemy. Ajax is your enemy. I feel saddened by this, but they have chosen this themselves. They were opponents as long as their movement remained one that worked within the law, the rules, and the Constitution. But, Trump has abandoned that, and his movement is right there with him. These people are voluntarily working for an authoritarian regime, a dictatorship that has nullified the Constitution.

You can be polite to an enemy, but you should not forget who your enemy is. They will destroy you, directly or indirectly, if given the opportunity. They will make you suffer, or they will see you become slaves to an authoritarian ruler like them. The choice has become stark. Their support of Trump is their attack on your rights as a citizen of the United States of America. It is their attack on your life as a free person in a Constitutional Republic. They have made themselves slaves of a dictator, and now they seek to make you a slave, too. Their choices are ensuring that the only thing that stands between you and a Salvadoran prison is Trump's whim.

Every time they argue for Trump, they are seeking to move you closer to that prison in El Salvador or to make you a fellow slave with them. Their tools are lawlessness and fear. And their use of these tools forms a vicious circle, a death spiral for our Constitutional Republic. They break the law to convince you they will do anything, and they cow you with fear through the threat of further lawlessness. Then, when you are too afraid to oppose them, emboldened, they exploit your inaction by continuing to break the law. Finally, paralyzed or robbed of any opening to escape or oppose them, you are trapped.

Consider the words of Demaratus to the Great King of Persia in Herodotus Book 7:
"O king," said Demaratus, "seeing that you bid me by all means speak the whole truth, and say that which you shall not afterwards prove to be false, — in Hellas poverty is ever native to the soil, but courage comes of their own seeking, the fruit of wisdom and strong law; by use of courage Hellas defends herself from poverty and tyranny. Now I say nought but good of all Greeks that dwell in those Dorian lands; yet it is not of all that I would now speak, but only of Lacedaemonians; and this I say of them; firstly, that they will never accept conditions from you that import the enslaving of Hellas; and secondly, that they will meet you in battle, yea, even though all the rest of the Greeks be on your side. But, for the number of them, ask me not how many these men are, who are like to do as I say; be it of a thousand men, or of more or of fewer than that, their army will fight with you."
I will not promise that I can fight with ten men, no, nor with two, and of my own will I would not even fight with one; yet under stress of necessity, or of some great issue to spur me on, I would most gladly fight with one of those men who claim to be each a match for three Greeks. So is it with the Lacedaemonians; fighting singly they are as brave as any man living, and together they are the best warriors on earth. Free they are, yet not wholly free; for law is their master, whom they fear much more than your men fear you. This is my proof — what their law bids them, that they do; and its bidding is ever the same, that they must never flee from the battle before whatsoever odds, but abide at their post and there conquer or die.
This is the attitude that maintains freedom under the rule of law. It is the Western Civilization that those knowledgeable, wise, and virtuous seek to protect. Some of our associates want to live in Herodotus' Persia with Trump as their master. They are our enemies so long as they do, and we should never forget that. For, if we do, they would be happy to have us join them in their slavery or die.
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Kishkumen, I noticed that your new thread is having difficulty receiving its first post from a reader, so I wanted to assist you by contributing. I hope your thread achieves the same level of success as my previous one, though I have my doubts!

First, I want to express my gratitude for validating my points in the "Defining Progressivism" thread. The initial definition I provided for progressivism highlighted the tendency to create a mental enemies list, and here you are, just a few days later, initiating a thread that underscores how nearly everyone is considered an enemy if they don't align with the woke ideas you're advocating. Your post perfectly illustrates my point about how progressivism creates an enemies list.

In terms of politics, who do you view as an ally here in America?
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Hound of Heaven wrote:
Tue Apr 15, 2025 4:43 pm
Kishkumen, I noticed that your new thread is having difficulty receiving its first post from a reader, so I wanted to assist you by contributing. I hope your thread achieves the same level of success as my previous one, though I have my doubts!

First, I want to express my gratitude for validating my points in the "Defining Progressivism" thread. The initial definition I provided for progressivism highlighted the tendency to create a mental enemies list, and here you are, just a few days later, initiating a thread that underscores how nearly everyone is considered an enemy if they don't align with the woke ideas you're advocating. Your post perfectly illustrates my point about how progressivism creates an enemies list.
Nice logical fallacy. Moreover, thanks for showing us just how warped your perspective is. Support for the rule of law and the Constitution is, in your view, "wokism." Thanks for making your fealty to Trump extremely obvious.
In terms of politics, who do you view as an ally here in America?
Anyone who stands up for our Constitution and the constitutional Republic against its enemies.
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If a conservative american citizen aligns with Trump, or if a moderate or conservative Democrat shares his interpretation of the constitution and our laws, do you believe they are automatically viewed as an enemy?
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Kish, I agree with you that Trump is one bad hombre for seeking to be a dictator and not following the Constitution and practices of decency.

The Hound is programmed to defend Trump in whatever he does.
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Hound of Heaven wrote:
Tue Apr 15, 2025 4:43 pm
… the tendency to create a mental enemies list, …
I appreciate the effort that you’ve put into the mental gymnastics required to convince yourself that when Trump talked about immigrants eating everyone’s pets and poisoning the blood of our country, that he said it with love.
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Hound of Heaven wrote:
Tue Apr 15, 2025 5:02 pm
If a conservative american citizen aligns with Trump, or if a moderate or conservative Democrat shares his interpretation of the constitution and our laws, do you believe they are automatically viewed as an enemy?
Because you seem to be having problems reading straightforward language, I will repeat myself. Support for the rule of law and the Constitution is anti-Trump. There is no reasonable and honest "interpretation of the Constitution" in which the president denies people their due process rights and ignores the Supreme Court's decisions.

Also, because you seem to have trouble understanding me, I will add that an enemy is not a person you necessarily hate. Some people are too confused or too lacking in intelligence and/or faculties of reason to hold blameworthy. Nevertheless, in their support for Trump's violation of the Constitution, that person is your enemy. You can also, in keeping with Christianity, love your enemies. That does not make them your friends.

You see, we have become so incompetent, as a culture, in our use of language and reason, that we cannot make careful distinctions. In the present, careful distinctions will be absolutely crucial if our Constitutional Republic is to be saved. I recommend to others that you do not model your thinking on Hound of Heaven, who may be clever but is clearly either morally/ethically challenged or deeply confused in his abuse of language and reason.
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Moksha wrote:
Tue Apr 15, 2025 5:33 pm
Kish, I agree with you that Trump is one bad hombre for seeking to be a dictator and not following the Constitution and practices of decency.

The Hound is programmed to defend Trump in whatever he does.
Trump is a dictator and an enemy of every person who reveres the rule of law and the Constitution. Hound, too, is your enemy and a slave to a dictator. The only way that this situation can return to normal is for Trump to be curbed successfully by Congress and the Supreme Court, preferably by being removed from office. Hound will remain your enemy as long as he supports the ideas and actions that undergird and effectuate Trump's violations of the Constitution.
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Trump has tried to quash activities at Harvard University and bend it to his will.

Harvard has told Trump to buzz off, but... Is there no worry that Trump may order the bombing of Cambridge, Massachusetts, and deport any survivors to El Salvadoran prisons? Especially if he is listening to Stephan Miller or the brain worms of RFK JR. at that time.

Hound will fully support this action if Trump takes it.
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Kishkumen wrote:
Tue Apr 15, 2025 7:06 pm
Moksha wrote:
Tue Apr 15, 2025 5:33 pm
Kish, I agree with you that Trump is one bad hombre for seeking to be a dictator and not following the Constitution and practices of decency.

The Hound is programmed to defend Trump in whatever he does.
Trump is a dictator and an enemy of every person who reveres the rule of law and the Constitution. Hound, too, is your enemy and a slave to a dictator. The only way that this situation can return to normal is for Trump to be curbed successfully by Congress and the Supreme Court, preferably by being removed from office. Hound will remain your enemy as long as he supports the ideas and actions that undergird and effectuate Trump's violations of the Constitution.
Impressive! I truly struck a chord with you when I mentioned that embracing progressivism entails acknowledging a mental enemies list and adhering to the tenets of progressive militant ideology to maintain one's status as an orthodox progressive.

However, I’m looking forward to enjoying this thread. Your contributions to this thread are enhancing the understanding of my thread titled "Defining Progressivism," reinforcing my assertion that Progressivism necessitates an enemies list.

I have a serious question for you, Kishkumen. Are you aware of how closely your belief in an enemies list resembles some of the core tenets of Mormon belief? Both Mormonism and Progressivism are organized in a manner that fosters the belief that enemies are encircling us, and it becomes our duty to confront them. This concept is rooted in the psychology that allows individuals to perceive all negativity as residing in their adversaries, while viewing themselves as the embodiment of all that is good. This extreme perspective creates a sense of satisfaction in having identified your adversaries, allowing you to spend a lifetime alerting others about them, with the hope that they will unite with you in overcoming these foes. If they choose not to join you, then, in the context of Progressivism and Mormonism, those individuals align themselves with the wrong side. When an individual aligns with either the progressive or Mormon movement in this scenario, they perceive their actions as a pursuit of the greater good, which in turn provides them with a sense of justification for undermining others.

To be honest, I believed you had the capability to understand this, but it seems I was wrong. This is easy to comprehend, Kishkumen.

However, I encourage you to continue elaborating on your perspective that anyone who isn't a progressive is an adversary to the progressive cause, as your insights are providing me with ample content for my highly engaging thread.
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