The Only Message that Matters

[Kishkumen]

I hear a lot of people continuing to express their justifiable shock and concern about all of the various things that Donald Trump is up to regarding the economy, international relations, and so forth. But there really is only one issue worth focusing on right now, and it is the one issue that we should be talking about from now until the disaster is somehow reversed.

What is that issue?

YOU, I, AND EVERY OTHER US CITIZEN HAVE NO CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS.

It is true that we had them securely until recently. They are, after all, right there in the Constitution and Bill of Rights. But in his meeting with Bukele, President Trump showed us all that our rights are dead letter as long as he is in the Oval Office.

This one issue has to be the issue that unites us all because no other issue can.

MAGA folk have shown that they do not care about just about anything else. Trump can break any of his promises to them, lie to them any way he wants to, and betray them, and they will eagerly lap up his abuse and his lies.

But will they stick with Trump when their friends and family get disappeared to El Salvador or some other place for permanent incarceration? Ajax has talked about how chummy he was with immigrants on the job. Does he care if they get thrown into a torture dungeon in Central America? For their sake, I hope we don't have to find out.

Right now, I am looking at the very real nightmare possibility of the President of the United States seeking to take away the US citizenship of MY CHILDREN and every other naturalized citizen in this country. If that is unthinkable to you, consider that he has already been looking into doing this very thing:

Tucked among the priorities listed in his Day 1 executive orders was a one-line reference to enforcing a section of immigration law under which the government can revoke an immigrant's U.S. citizenship if it was "unlawfully procured."

The directive is listed in the order called "Protecting the United States from Foreign Terrorists and Other National Security and Public Safety Threats." It's an indication that denaturalization will be part of his crackdown, said Amanda Frost, a University of Virginia law professor and immigration attorney.

See https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 905612007/

Given what we know of Trump's recent history of calling people with no criminal record gang members or terrorists and then shipping them off to El Salvador to rot in a torture dungeon, who is to say who is safe from his authoritarian purge?

The truth is that none of us are. So, what are we going to do about it?

One thing we should NOT be doing is wasting our time in angst over other issues. If this situation is allowed to continue, then every other issue you are concerned about now will mean nothing.

[Kishkumen]

But even “documented” immigrants will not be safe, because Miller has declared that he will pursue the seldom-used process of “denaturalization” to go after people who have been citizens for years or decades, based on suspicions about purported fraud on their naturalization applications. Individuals stripped of citizenship will then be subject to deportation along with Miller’s other targets.

https://thehill.com/opinion/immigration ... migration/

[Kishkumen]

President-elect Donald Trump has doubled down on one of his most outrageous campaign promises: deporting 15 million people, including some who are already naturalized U.S. citizens. While it may be virtually impossible to implement Trump’s grandiose ambitions due to the logistical and financial challenges of deporting millions, his administration will still devastate countless lives, including those who thought their citizenship was forever.

Among the tools at their disposal is the obscure judicial process of denaturalization—revoking citizenship granted to immigrants—making naturalized Americans deportable.

https://www.lawfirm4immigrants.com/can- ... tizenship/

[Kishkumen]

In 1991, a 17-year-old Punjabi male with no travel documentation arrived in California seeking asylum. He was taken into custody, and a translator recorded his name as Davinder Singh. At his request, he was released to friends in New Jersey and ordered to appear in court in January 1992. When he didn’t show up to court on the day he was directed to appear, the court issued a deportation order. We don’t know if he left the country.

Less than a month later, someone with the same set of fingerprints but the name Baljinder Singh filed for asylum in the same New Jersey court. The court found that the case had enough merit to proceed. Eventually, Baljinder Singh became a citizen.

More than 25 years later, the government, under Operation Janus, matched the two sets of fingerprints and alleged that Singh intentionally used a fraudulent identity to get a second chance to seek asylum and get citizenship. In January 2018, the government officially revoked his citizenship.

At first glance, this case may seem straightforward.

But in an article forthcoming in the New York University Law Review, we explain how the discrepancy in name could have easily resulted from a translator’s error rather than from intentional fraud.

We don’t know exactly what happened to Singh. We have not been able to locate him, and no news articles about his case include interviews with him.

However, the evidence shows that the way denaturalization cases are being litigated makes it difficult for the justice system to distinguish between fraud and bureaucratic error.

https://www.acslaw.org/expertforum/trum ... tizenship/

Look at how quaint this is:

We argue that the Constitution’s guarantee of due process requires heightened procedural protections when citizenship is at risk. That means requiring personal notice, a right to counsel for indigent defendants and a time limit for bringing cases, which would increase confidence that citizenship would not be revoked for minor errors or bureaucratic mistakes.

[Kishkumen]

Stephen Yale-Loehr, a retired immigration law professor at Cornell University, tells Rolling Stone he worries Trump could try to deport citizens anyway, court precedent be damned, given how the administration seems to be “attacking on all fronts and worrying later whether their actions are legal. So unfortunately, it would not surprise me if we saw at least one plane load of incarcerated U.S. citizens being shipped off to El Salvador.”

Shortly after stepping back into office, Trump personally directed at least one lawyer working in his administration to look into deporting American citizens via denaturalization processes, telling aides that it is a “good idea” for certain cases, according to one of the sources, who is a Trump appointee. In one of his many Day One executive orders, Trump instructed his administration to move on cases described in a federal statute regarding “revocation of naturalization.”

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/p ... 235315975/

[Hound of Heaven]

I hear a lot of people continuing to express their justifiable shock and concern about all of the various things that Donald Trump is up to regarding the economy, international relations, and so forth. But there really is only one issue worth focusing on right now, and it is the one issue that we should be talking about from now until the disaster is somehow reversed.

What is that issue?

YOU, I, AND EVERY OTHER US CITIZEN HAVE NO CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS.

It is true that we had them securely until recently. They are, after all, right there in the Constitution and Bill of Rights. But in his meeting with Bukele, President Trump showed us all that our rights are dead letter as long as he is in the Oval Office.

This one issue has to be the issue that unites us all because no other issue can.

MAGA folk have shown that they do not care about just about anything else. Trump can break any of his promises to them, lie to them any way he wants to, and betray them, and they will eagerly lap up his abuse and his lies.

But will they stick with Trump when their friends and family get disappeared to El Salvador or some other place for permanent incarceration? Ajax has talked about how chummy he was with immigrants on the job. Does he care if they get thrown into a torture dungeon in Central America? For their sake, I hope we don't have to find out.

Right now, I am looking at the very real nightmare possibility of the President of the United States seeking to take away the US citizenship of MY CHILDREN and every other naturalized citizen in this country. If that is unthinkable to you, consider that he has already been looking into doing this very thing:

Tucked among the priorities listed in his Day 1 executive orders was a one-line reference to enforcing a section of immigration law under which the government can revoke an immigrant's U.S. citizenship if it was "unlawfully procured."

The directive is listed in the order called "Protecting the United States from Foreign Terrorists and Other National Security and Public Safety Threats." It's an indication that denaturalization will be part of his crackdown, said Amanda Frost, a University of Virginia law professor and immigration attorney.

See https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 905612007/

Given what we know of Trump's recent history of calling people with no criminal record gang members or terrorists and then shipping them off to El Salvador to rot in a torture dungeon, who is to say who is safe from his authoritarian purge?

The truth is that none of us are. So, what are we going to do about it?

One thing we should NOT be doing is wasting our time in angst over other issues. If this situation is allowed to continue, then every other issue you are concerned about now will mean nothing.

CNN is not your friend! Go take a walk.

[Kishkumen]

CNN is not your friend! Go take a walk.

OAN is not your friend. Wake up.

[Gunnar]

CNN is not your friend! Go take a walk.

OAN is not your friend. Wake up.

I see no indication that he has any inclination to wake up. That would make him "woke", and we know how much he hates the very idea of "woke!"

[ajax18]

At least you're past the claim from before the election that Trump refused to sign BIden's "bipartisan" border enforcement deal not because he didn't want to enforce the border but because he just wanted to use it to win the election. Or what about the idiotic claim that Biden had to leave the border open by law without an act of Congress? Donald had no problem enforcing the border. Illegal crossings started going down before he was even sworn into office. It turns out that most people didn't agree with Biden leaving the border open to secure not so cheap votes at the taxpayers expense. And who secured more hispanic votes than any Republican presidential candidate before him in the election of 2024? That's right, Donald Trump, on the promise of building a wall and making Mexico pay for it.

You need your own country Kishkumen where you can implement your own ethics and deal with the consequences of them. If you continue to seek to take my country away from me, it's not going to go well for you.

[canpakes]

If you continue to seek to take my country away from me, it's not going to go well for you.

News flash. It’s Kish’s country, too.

Sounds like you’ve got an ‘enemies list’ going, anyway. Don’t tell Hound about your habit.
; )