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I wasn't quite sure how an auto pen might actually work. I looked it up on You Tube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5VB8DuZMv8

Assuming that the one that the Biden administration had is similar; who manages it and holds or tracks the card/s with Biden's signature on it? What official documents exist with Biden's actual signatures, and which ones are signed by the auto pen? Where was this machine located, and was there more than one?

I get the need for one in regard to forum type of letters, but again who manages the cards and has access to it?
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Markk wrote:
Fri May 23, 2025 12:47 pm
I wasn't quite sure how an auto pen might actually work. I looked it up on You Tube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5VB8DuZMv8

Assuming that the one that the Biden administration had is similar; who manages it and holds or tracks the card/s with Biden's signature on it? What official documents exist with Biden's actual signatures, and which ones are signed by the auto pen? Where was this machine located, and was there more than one?

I get the need for one in regard to forum type of letters, but again who manages the cards and has access to it?
The fact that Trump even knows about auto pens suggests to me that he is familiar with how they can be used and has probably used them himself whenever it conveniences him. This may be another example of the "every accusation is an admission of guilt" phenomenon. But I don't think the mere fact that either Joe Biden may have used them necessarily invalidates their signatures, even if they have. If such devices are used, though, it should be imperative that the cards be very tightly and securely controlled.
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Can anyone show me a video of Biden signing executive orders that he has no idea what they're about? I've seen that about 5 or 6 times with Trump now, but obviously Biden is what we should be concerned about....for some reason. Lol. Markkk indeed.
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Molok wrote:
Fri May 23, 2025 1:47 pm
Can anyone show me a video of Biden signing executive orders that he has no idea what they're about? I've seen that about 5 or 6 times with Trump now, but obviously Biden is what we should be concerned about....for some reason. Lol. Markkk indeed.
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Molok wrote:
Fri May 23, 2025 1:47 pm
Can anyone show me a video of Biden signing executive orders that he has no idea what they're about? I've seen that about 5 or 6 times with Trump now, but obviously Biden is what we should be concerned about....for some reason. Lol. Markkk indeed.
Good point! I have some criticisms of Biden: for example, I think he probably should have stuck to his original intention to run for only one term, but I don't believe he is evil incarnate like Trump is. I believe he genuinely cared about serving the best interests of the American electorate, whether they voted for him or not.
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Markk wrote:
Fri May 23, 2025 12:47 pm
… who manages the cards and has access to it?
The official responsible for this was Otto Penn. I believe that he still works for the present Administration.
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canpakes wrote:
Fri May 23, 2025 2:06 pm
Markk wrote:
Fri May 23, 2025 12:47 pm
… who manages the cards and has access to it?
The official responsible for this was Otto Penn. I believe that he still works for the present Administration.
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Gunnar wrote:
Fri May 23, 2025 1:11 pm
Markk wrote:
Fri May 23, 2025 12:47 pm
I wasn't quite sure how an auto pen might actually work. I looked it up on You Tube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5VB8DuZMv8

Assuming that the one that the Biden administration had is similar; who manages it and holds or tracks the card/s with Biden's signature on it? What official documents exist with Biden's actual signatures, and which ones are signed by the auto pen? Where was this machine located, and was there more than one?

I get the need for one in regard to forum type of letters, but again who manages the cards and has access to it?
The fact that Trump even knows about auto pens suggests to me that he is familiar with how they can be used and has probably used them himself whenever it conveniences him. This may be another example of the "every accusation is an admission of guilt" phenomenon. But I don't think the mere fact that either Joe Biden may have used them necessarily invalidates their signatures, even if they have. If such devices are used, though, it should be imperative that the cards be very tightly and securely controlled.

Focus....critical thought? Trump has stated he signs personally all important documents, except for letters to children and such. If he is lying about that and people have his name card auto signing key documents then I certainly would like to know.

The same with Biden....don't you think for one moment this is a realistic request?

The point with Biden is that he had dementia....and how do we know what was auto penned with his understand and authorization of what was being signed.

Do you believe that I worthy of an investigation given what the inner sources our now revealing?
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Markk wrote:
Fri May 23, 2025 2:48 pm
The point with Biden is that he had dementia....and how do we know what was auto penned with his understand and authorization of what was being signed.
Is there a particular piece of legislation that you believe was created and ushered through the legislative or Administrative process by rogue operators and then subsequently auto-signed into law?
Do you believe that I worthy of an investigation given what the inner sources our now revealing?
You, no. I don’t think that we should investigate your use of an autopen. : ) I don’t see a reason to investigate Biden for it, either, or Trump, or any number of past Presidents.

Per the linked Justice Department memo from 2005:

“The President need not personally perform the physical act of affixing his signature to a bill he approves and decides to sign in order for the bill to become law. Rather, the President may sign a bill within the meaning of Article I, Section 7 by directing a subordinate to affix the President’s signature to such a bill, for example by autopen.”

https://www.justice.gov/file/494411/dl?inline=

Apparently, you’re still chagrined that those bogus claims of Biden Crime Family activities never panned out, so you’re now attempting to investigate folks based on completely legal and longstanding activities, but only so long as it’s folks that you don’t like.
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I can't answer who has access to it, but from some spelunking it sounds like there's generally guidelines (or a "Playbook") for each federal agency on utilizing autopens, which includes who receives "certificates" to be able to utilize a given machine. They're probably improved on as vulnerabilities are discovered. I doubt Biden's administration used the exact "Playbook" that Bush did when his Office of Legal Counsel published their 29-pager** saying it's groovy to use on everything.

Random factoid, but Obama was the first known president to sign a piece of legislation with an autopen. He signed the Patriot Act extension while he was rubbing elbows with the freedom fries haters over in France.

While spelunking, I found this fun article from Cornell on some auto-pen controversies (sorry... it was a year ago, so Biden didn't make the cut). Link

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