Budgets are Statements of Our Values

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https://youtu.be/nIB-8dvkL8I?si=u1BJPFQqyh8zyaxs
Trump’s “big, beautiful bill” is the cruelest and most irresponsible piece of domestic legislation to be seriously proposed in my lifetime.

When you think about this bill, you should think about risk. It would increase our risk of a fiscal crisis by adding a hefty sum to our nation’s debt, at a time when we’re alienating the countries that typically buy our debt. It would slash food stamps and strip health insurance from millions of people, increasing the risk that the safety net won’t be able to catch any of us, at a time when President Trump’s tariffs have increased the risk of a recession.

It’s what I’m calling the Big Budget Bomb. And if it passes, we’ll all be in the blast radius.

My guest today is Catherine Rampell. She’s an opinion columnist at The Washington Post and an anchor on MSNBC. She’s been covering this closely, so I asked her to come on the show to help talk through all the different risks this bill brings.

Editor’s note: This episode was recorded before the House passed Trump’s domestic policy package.
I can't recommend this video enough. The topic is centered on Trump's Big Beautiful Bill, but out of necessity it explores the picture of the world we are creating as a nation under the leadership of Donald J. Trump. The budget is a way of realizing the things the administration ACTUALLY cares about compared to the things it may give lip service to but don't actually prioritize. And it is a way of undermining policies and programs that may be politically a third rail to the Trump coalition that came to power on the backs of promises to working class people while fulfilling the promises to the wealthiest donor class.

Around minute 16 there is a great discussion on how the seemingly fair idea of a work requirement for Medicaid assistance has been tested in Arkansas with results that suggest the real result will be people being kicked off coverage. The no tax on tips component is discussed towards the end, where Catherine Rampell lays out that what seems like a policy to help low income people struggling on tip work will more likely be used as a tax loophole given the majority of people who rely on tips for their income are also paying limited amounts to nothing in Federal income tax already.

It truly is difficult to imagine a more cruel and blatantly privileged bill that could become the most impactful legislation passed in a generation reinforcing the widening wealth gap, and pushing the consequences of older generational behaviors onto younger generations to pay for both financially in terms of debt and with the quality of life deficit it will generate.
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Here's an article to expand on other issues with the most cruel and destructive bill that is now heading to the Senate:

https://campaignlegal.org/update/these- ... -democracy

These Hidden Provisions in the Budget Bill Undermine Our Democracy
President Donald Trump’s so-called “One Big Beautiful Bill Act” passed in the U.S. House of Representatives by a narrow vote of 215-214. This massive legislation — totaling more than 1,000 pages — uses a complicated congressional procedure known as “budget reconciliation” to allow the Senate to pass it with fewer votes than would normally be required, and without bipartisan support.

Most attention on this budget bill has centered around issues like the tax code, Medicaid and immigration. However, there is a lot more hidden in the House’s reconciliation proposal, including two provisions Campaign Legal Center (CLC) has identified that would severely harm voters and threaten the rule of law.

An Attack on the Judicial Branch
The first of these outrageous policies — buried in Section 70302 of the legislation— would severely restrict federal courts’ authority to hold government officials in contempt if they violate judicial orders.

A court’s ability to hold bad actors in contempt is a vital enforcement power that judges can use to compel compliance with their rulings.

When somebody chooses to violate a court order, the judge who issued the ruling has a few different options to force them to comply, including holding them in contempt and issuing sanctions, fines, or even jail time as a punishment.

But the reconciliation bill would require anyone suing the government to pay a bond before the court can use its contempt power to enforce injunctions or restraining orders meant to halt illegal actions.

By restricting this authority, the House bill threatens the power of the judicial branch. On its own, that represents an attack on the rule of law and the separation of powers that underlies our democracy. But in the context of our current political moment, a more specific goal is unfortunately clear.

Courts have already ruled at least 170 times against the Trump administration, including a preliminary injunction sought by CLC that halted Trump’s unconstitutional attempt to change the rules for federal elections. In response to many of these rulings, the president has resisted compliance and waged intimidation campaigns targeting the judges responsible.

In light of all this, the House bill seems squarely and unacceptably focused on shielding the Trump administration from accountability when it breaks the law.

To make matters worse, the new rule would be so broad that it could allow any government actor to escape being held accountable for violating court rulings. It would also apply to court orders and injunctions issued before the law takes effect. This would render thousands of prior orders across the country immediately unenforceable through contempt proceedings, no matter how the public has already relied on them.

This provision cannot be allowed to stand.

No government official, including the president, should be able to simply ignore court rulings that find their actions illegal or unconstitutional. The rule of law and our democracy itself depend on it.

A Flood of False Information in Elections
The second problematic provision — found within Section 43201(c) of the House reconciliation bill — would impose a 10-year ban on the enforcement of all state and local laws that regulate artificial intelligence (A.I.), including rules for A.I.’s use in political campaigns and elections.

Currently, more than 20 states have already enacted laws to address election misinformation and manipulation made easy by new A.I. tools. These laws are meant to address real challenges for our democracy, like fake content that misleads voters about the candidates or issues on their ballot.

As the technology develops, the public has already seen how A.I. can be used to depict events that never actually happened, discourage participation in elections, and even create false admissions of election interference.

To protect voters from these harms, CLC and others have called on Congress to pass strong legislation regulating A.I.’s use in our democratic process. However, Congress has so far failed to act.

In that void, states across the country have stepped up and enacted safeguards, such as prohibiting A.I. from being used to intentionally deceive voters and requiring disclaimers that inform the public when election ads use content manipulated or generated with A.I..

If the House reconciliation package is allowed to override these state laws, Congress will have not only failed in its own duty to regulate A.I. but actively prevented other lawmakers from protecting their constituents.

Simply put, a 10-year ban on enforcing A.I. laws across the country could mean a decade of false information that undermines voters’ right to make informed decisions. It would be more than misguided, and outright dangerous for the future of truth and trust in our elections.

American democracy is already facing unprecedented challenges. The rule of law is under attack, while public confidence in our elected leaders and government institutions continues to falter. If Congress enacts these two provisions buried in the House budget bill, the situation will only get worse.
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No, budgets are statements of the values of those who submit them.
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Dr. Shades wrote:
Mon May 26, 2025 5:34 am
No, budgets are statements of the values of those who submit them.
Sorry, but when you vote (or don't) for a candidate, you're partly responsible for their choices, whether you like it or not.

America is getting what it asked for, because most Americans are stupid. That's your country.
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Some Schmo wrote:
Mon May 26, 2025 6:36 am
Dr. Shades wrote:
Mon May 26, 2025 5:34 am
No, budgets are statements of the values of those who submit them.
Sorry, but when you vote (or don't) for a candidate, you're partly responsible for their choices, whether you like it or not.
How can you be responsible for the choices of a candidate for whom you DON'T vote?
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Dr. Shades wrote:
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How can you be responsible for the choices of a candidate for whom you DON'T vote?
Negligence.
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Dr. Shades wrote:
Mon May 26, 2025 5:34 am
No, budgets are statements of the values of those who submit them.
I suppose you know better.

Anyway, you are in luck if the BBB does not reflect your values as you still have time to let your Senators know where you disagree with it and what you feel DOES represent your values.
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honorentheos wrote:
Sun May 25, 2025 7:01 pm
Here's an article to expand on other issues with the most cruel and destructive bill that is now heading to the Senate:

https://campaignlegal.org/update/these- ... -democracy

These Hidden Provisions in the Budget Bill Undermine Our Democracy

An Attack on the Judicial Branch
The first of these outrageous policies — buried in Section 70302 of the legislation— would severely restrict federal courts’ authority to hold government officials in contempt if they violate judicial orders.

A court’s ability to hold bad actors in contempt is a vital enforcement power that judges can use to compel compliance with their rulings.

When somebody chooses to violate a court order, the judge who issued the ruling has a few different options to force them to comply, including holding them in contempt and issuing sanctions, fines, or even jail time as a punishment.

But the reconciliation bill would require anyone suing the government to pay a bond before the court can use its contempt power to enforce injunctions or restraining orders meant to halt illegal actions.

By restricting this authority, the House bill threatens the power of the judicial branch. On its own, that represents an attack on the rule of law and the separation of powers that underlies our democracy. But in the context of our current political moment, a more specific goal is unfortunately clear.

Courts have already ruled at least 170 times against the Trump administration, including a preliminary injunction sought by CLC that halted Trump’s unconstitutional attempt to change the rules for federal elections. In response to many of these rulings, the president has resisted compliance and waged intimidation campaigns targeting the judges responsible.

In light of all this, the House bill seems squarely and unacceptably focused on shielding the Trump administration from accountability when it breaks the law.

To make matters worse, the new rule would be so broad that it could allow any government actor to escape being held accountable for violating court rulings. It would also apply to court orders and injunctions issued before the law takes effect. This would render thousands of prior orders across the country immediately unenforceable through contempt proceedings, no matter how the public has already relied on them.

This provision cannot be allowed to stand.

No government official, including the president, should be able to simply ignore court rulings that find their actions illegal or unconstitutional. The rule of law and our democracy itself depend on it.
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In case it isn’t available in the future, I’m posting the entire content of an entry at the excellent Just Security website that expands on this important issue excerpted from Honor’s post above.
A Terrible Idea

By Erwin Chemerinsky
Published on May 19, 2025


Now is not the time to limit the ability of federal courts to enforce their judicial orders. But in light of dozens of federal courts finding actions by President Donald Trump to be unconstitutional, some House Republicans are trying to do exactly that. A provision in the proposed spending bill would restrict the authority of federal courts to hold government officials in contempt when they violate court orders. Without the contempt power, judicial orders are meaningless and can be ignored.

There is no way to understand this except as a way to keep the Trump administration from being restrained when it violates the Constitution or otherwise breaks the law. The House and the Senate should reject this effort to limit judicial power. Hopefully recent public opinion survey data — showing vast majorities want the Trump administration to stop an action if a federal court ruled it illegal – will guide these legislators to the right outcome. If this anti-democratic legislation is adopted, the courts should declare it unconstitutional as violating separation of powers.

The provision in the proposed budget reconciliation bill states: “No court of the United States may use appropriated funds to enforce a contempt citation for failure to comply with an injunction or temporary restraining order if no security was given when the injunction or order was issued pursuant to Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 65(c), whether issued prior to, on, or subsequent to the date of enactment of this section.”

By its very terms this provision is meant to limit the power of federal courts to use their contempt power. It does so by relying on a relatively rarely used provision of the Rules that govern civil cases in federal court. Rule 65(c) says that judges may issue a preliminary injunction or a temporary restraining order “only if the movant gives security in an amount that the court considers proper to pay the costs and damages sustained by any party found to have been wrongfully enjoined or restrained.”

But federal courts understandably rarely require that a bond be posted by those who are restraining unconstitutional federal, state, or local government actions. Those seeking such court orders generally do not have the resources to post a bond, and insisting on it would immunize unconstitutional government conduct from judicial review. It always has been understood that courts can choose to set the bond at zero.

Recent temporary restraining orders and preliminary injunctions illustrate this. For example, federal Chief Judge James Boasberg issued a temporary restraining order preventing individuals from being flown to a maximum security prison in El Salvador without due process—an order that Judge Boasberg found the federal government willfully disregarded. Federal Judge Paula Xinis has issued orders, affirmed by the Supreme Court, to have Kilmar Abrego Garcia brought back from El Salvador, since he was taken there—the one country in the world that an immigration judge ruled he could not be removed to—without due process and, according to a government lawyer, by mistake. Several federal courts, including the Supreme Court, have issued orders preventing the Trump administration from using the Alien Enemy Act of 1798 to deport more people to El Salvador without basic due process safeguards. It would make no sense to require the plaintiffs in these suits to pay bonds to be able to have access to the federal courts.

But the provision in the House bill would make the court orders in these cases completely unenforceable. Indeed, the bill is stunning in its scope. It would apply to all temporary restraining orders, preliminary injunctions, and even permanent injunctions ever issued. By its terms, it applies to court orders “issued prior to, on, or subsequent” to its adoption.

Because federal courts rarely have required plaintiffs to post bonds, it would mean that hundreds and hundreds of court orders – in cases ranging from antitrust to protection of private tax information, to safeguarding the social security administration, to school desegregation to police reform – would be rendered unenforceable. Even when the government had been found to violate the Constitution, nothing could be done to enforce the injunctions against it. In fact, the greatest effect of adopting the provision would be to make countless existing judicial orders unenforceable. If enacted, judges will be able to set the bond at $1 so it can be easily met. But all existing judicial orders where no bond was required would become unenforceable.

This would be a stunning restriction on the power of the federal courts. The Supreme Court has long recognized that the contempt power is integral to the authority of the federal courts. Without the ability to enforce judicial orders, they are rendered mere advisory opinions which parties are free to disregard.

For example, in 1924, the Supreme Court indicated that it would be unconstitutional for Congress to require courts to hold a jury trial before a party could be held in civil contempt for violating a judicial order. The Court stressed that under Article III of the Constitution, a federal court must have the authority to enforce its orders. Congress cannot use it powers to undermine the essential functions of the federal courts.

Of course, the question must be asked, why do Republicans now want to limit the power of the federal courts to enforce orders? The answer seems obvious: it is an effort by the Trump administration to negate one of the few checks that exist on its powers.

This provision should be stripped from the House spending bill. If it remains, the Senate Parliamentarian should rule that this is not about federal spending because it would have no effect on revenues and it thus is not appropriately part of a budget reconciliation bill.

But if it comes for a vote, both Republicans and Democrats should reject it as a terrible idea. Federal courts must be able to hear constitutional challenges to government actions, regardless of who controls the White House, and to provide relief. The federal courts are a crucial protector of the guardrails of our democracy. Now is not the time to greatly weaken their power to enforce the Constitution.
https://www.justsecurity.org/113529/ter ... mpt-court/
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Excellent discussion and well worth the time to view the video linked in the OP and read the other links in the subsequent posts in the thread.

Here is another dangerous way in which the Trump administration's proposed budget cuts will harm and endanger the very lives of Americans:

Florida weatherman warns viewers he won't be able to predict hurricanes because of Trump's federal budget cuts
A Florida weatherman took a moment to tell viewers during his regular broadcast that he wouldn't be able to continue predicting the weather for residents because of budget cuts.

John Morales appeared depressed as he got on air for his usual meteorology report on NBC 6 South Florida. With a massive hurricane pictured behind him, perfectly framing him, he laid into the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) and the whole Trump administration for their budget cuts.

"And I am here to tell you that I am not sure that I can do that this year because of the cuts, the gutting, the sledgehammer attack on science in general," he said, discussing his track record of predicting and monitoring hurricanes in a region exceptionally prone to them.

Back in 2019, Morales followed Category 5 Hurricane Dorian, which ultimately turned and had a lesser impact on Florida, which he predicted. It was just one of several critically important weather reports he gave over his 34-year career in South Florida.

Morales played that clip in the YouTube video he posted before delivering his dire warning to residents. The Trump administration, upon the recommendation of DOGE, made several budget cuts at the National Weather Service (NWS) and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA).

Those cuts led to severe staffing cuts as well as drastic reductions in equipment use — weather balloon releases, for example, are down by 20%.

Morales said the cuts have "a multigenerational impact on science in this country" as he explained how the cuts will specifically make his job harder.

The Central and South Florida NWS offices were 19 to 39% understaffed, he said, and cuts to NOAA's Hurricane Hunter flight program mean the aircraft might not be able to fly at all this week.

Morales added that the cuts mean that the quality of weather forecasts is "becoming degraded," leaving them "flying blind" and unable to know the strength of a hurricane before it hits land. That could be deadly.

The meteorologist wrote in a column on NBC 6 that the combination of the predictions that this would be a more active hurricane season when paired with the budget cuts leaves meteorologists lacking enough data to make accurate forecasts.

That could result in a "combustible mix" and cause "needless loss of life" if a severe storm were to hit — they simply wouldn't be able to warn people.

"Am I worried?" he wrote. "You bet I am!" He didn't mention Trump by name. He did identify cuts to staff and resources that have been coming since the start of the president's second term, however.
Thanks, honorentheos, for initiating this thread!
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