COVID is getting worse

[Res Ipsa]

This is all particularly disturbing because I thought we were doing pretty good with the whole mitigation thing. Everywhere I go, people are wearing masks.

lol. It's a virtue signal and wearing a mask is about as much as we can do. Surely you understood that it didn't make much of a difference. Well maybe not.

It is hard to imagine the death toll had we never done that.

No it's not. The death toll would be about the same as it is now.

I get that you’re not an MD, but I know what you have to take classes in to become a doctor of optometry. So you and I both know you are just slinging nonsense here. Mask wearing has nothing to do with virtue signaling. I was initially skeptical about cloth face coverings, but there’s been a ton of research done over the past months that shows mask wearing protects both the mask wearer and those in close contact with the mask wearer when close contact is not avoidable.

Go read some medical journals on the subject. Masks are effective when everyone wears them.

And on the death toll, do some math. The partial lockdowns that some states did absolutely slowed down the out of control exponential growth that was occurring in those locations. Look at the data from NYC. The slower the rate of new cases, the slower the rate of death. If you really think the death toll today would be about the same if we’d done nothing, you need to take a remedial math course. Go back to April, project the exponential growth rates into the future and do the math.

[ajax18]

We flattened the curve. The hospitals are not overrun. Don't get me wrong. I wear a mask. The staff wears a mask. I haven't seen a patient who didn't wear a mask since we went back to work 5 months ago. I'd wear a mask even if it did little more than ease the patients mind. But it can also be a false sense of security. I still think it's foolishness to think we're all not going to be exposed to this virus inevitably.

I just pray a miracle happens with this recount. If Biden gets his way with this national lockdown we really won't have a country to come back to and worse yet, the COVID problem will be about the same as soon as we try to open up again.

[Icarus]

We flattened the curve.

Comments like these prove the point that you're a disgrace, even as a third rate "doctor" who prescribed glasses.

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The hospitals are not overrun.

You don't work in a hospital, so you wouldn't know. You sit at home all day watching OAN and Brietbart. But real doctors have told us the truth:

‘We Are In Trouble’: Doctors Make Plea For Mask Wearing, Warn Of Overrun Hospitals

UNMC virus expert: Omaha less than 2 weeks away from overrun hospitals

Texas' new coronavirus surge is leaving critically sick patients stranded in rural areas, hospitals say

Hospitals ‘very close to a tipping point’ to be able to save all severely ill patients

Iowa hospitals will be overrun by surge in new cases, says UIHC epidemiologist

These States Have Hospitals Overrun by COVID

I still think it's foolishness to think we're all not going to be exposed to this virus inevitably.

Again, refusing to acknowledge even the reason masks are important while remaining fixated on a false caricature of the argument fed to you by Brietbart, is just one of the many reasons why you're a disgrace.

If Biden gets his way with this national lockdown we really won't have a country to come back to and worse yet, the COVID problem will be about the same as soon as we try to open up again.

Proving once again that you're an uneducated rube, you rely on the fear mongering fed to you by Brietbart and company. Who cares about thousands dead, right? What matters is that we avoid "lockdowns." Nothing you assert is backed up by any evidence. All you do is regurgitate the same talking points that even the dumbest social media posters abandoned months ago since they were debunked. But not you. You're forever stupid.

Virtually everything the experts have predicted since the Spring has come true. Fauci initially said that even with mitigation, we'd see probably 100,000-200,000 deaths by the end of the year.

Fauci said the 100,000-to-200,000 death figure is a middle-of-the-road estimate, much lower than worse-case-scenario predictions.

He said preparing for 1 million to 2 million Americans to die from the coronavirus is "almost certainly off the chart," adding: "Now it's not impossible, but very, very unlikely."

It helps to actually rely on the source instead of the spin that passes through the Brietbart filter. Real, responsible doctors who took their oaths seriously, would know better.

[Icarus]

I wonder why no one is bothering to fact check Trump's repeated lies about the H1N1 vaccine "nightmare." He keeps talking about how the COVID vaccine is developed in "record time." This is nonsense. The H1N1 virus made its presence in late April of 2009 and within just five months the FDA approved four vaccines and in the first week of October the first doses were given. A fifth vaccine was approved a month later and school closures stopped for the first time in three months. By December vaccinations were open to anyone who wanted it.

[Moksha]

I just pray a miracle happens with this recount.

President Trump's pastor issued a call to the angels in Africa and South America to help void the election. Perhaps you could help echo the words of her prayer, "Hrumpf gurbil boiger zob, hrumf gurbil boiger zob, hrumf gurbil boiger zob!"

[Res Ipsa]

We flattened the curve. The hospitals are not overrun. Don't get me wrong. I wear a mask. The staff wears a mask. I haven't seen a patient who didn't wear a mask since we went back to work 5 months ago. I'd wear a mask even if it did little more than ease the patients mind. But it can also be a false sense of security. I still think it's foolishness to think we're all not going to be exposed to this virus inevitably.

I just pray a miracle happens with this recount. If Biden gets his way with this national lockdown we really won't have a country to come back to and worse yet, the COVID problem will be about the same as soon as we try to open up again.

Open your eyes and educate yourself, man. Here's the story of what's happening in one -- just one of the thousands of small towns in rural America. https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2 ... rc404=true No rural hospital can handle what's happening now. So they ship patients to the nearest city, filling up its hospitals.

Oklahoma's hospitals are being overrun. https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/t ... story.html

Scan the updates: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2 ... pdates-us/ North Dakota hospitals are so short of nurses that the government has okayed nurses who are infected with the virus to continue working. Wisconsin is starting to close testing sites because the personnel are needed to care for patients. Surgeries are being postponed in many areas. These are all the signs of hospital systems stressed to the breaking point.

And, again, do some math. We understand the consequences of exponential growth -- if we wait to take any action until all the hospitals overrun, it takes days or weeks to get the numbers of people who need hospitalization back within hospital capacity. The doubling time for new cases per day in the US is about two weeks. How many doubling times until Trump leaves office? Four? So, 150,000 new cases per day now. First doubling time 300,000. Second doubling time 600,000. Third doubling time 1.2 million. Fourth doubling time. 2.4 million new cases per day when Trump leaves office. Find enough hospital beds to put the percentage of new cases that need hospitalization.

Minnesota's ICU's are at 92% capacity. Those in the Twin Cities 98%. https://www.dl-online.com/newsmd/corona ... -new-highs

The irony is, what we believe becomes self-fulfilling prophecy. People that ignore the data and the recommendations of infections disease specialists conclude, like you, that it's inevitable that everyone gets infected, and so they behave in ways that insure that everyone will be infected. Meanwhile, if they just listened to experts who know much more than they do, the resulting behaviors would prevent everyone from having to become infected and keep the rates of infection manageable for our health care system.

[Res Ipsa]

I wonder why no one is bothering to fact check Trump's repeated lies about the H1N1 vaccine "nightmare." He keeps talking about how the COVID vaccine is developed in "record time." This is nonsense. The H1N1 virus made its presence in late April of 2009 and within just five months the FDA approved four vaccines and in the first week of October the first doses were given. A fifth vaccine was approved a month later and school closures stopped for the first time in three months. By December vaccinations were open to anyone who wanted it.

The media has fact checked that. But Trump is such a geyser of BS, once you've fact checked him, how many times should you repeat the exercise?

But I do think you are selling what's happened with vaccine short. We know how to make flu vaccines. We make them every year. Nobody has ever made a successful coronavirus vaccine. Nobody has ever made an mRNA vaccine. The vaccine progress has been amazing, and should be regarded as such. The knowledge bases and experience is going to be invaluable in fighting epidemics and pandemics to come. Politics should not get in the way of recognizing what science can do when we let it do its thing.

[subgenius]

60 million Americans got H1N1
But mean tweets werent kindling for your #tds hair fire then, were they?


Now, after you google and watch his brief comment here, giigle who Klain is.
And yes, 60 million cases of H1N1.

[Icarus]

Obviously he's referring to the fact that H1N1 wasn't nearly as deadly as some viruses. Hence, they got lucky.

It is truly refreshing to have people in authority like this offer some truly honest and self-critical perspectives as opposed to the current administration in which everyone working for the orange cult leader would be talking about how this was the most "amazing, unprecedented, historic" response in the history of epidemics.

And you ignored the part about only 12,000 deaths from April 2009-April 2010 from H1N1. The vaccine was viable and effective and available to all Americans just 8 months after the virus was detected in the USA.

[Res Ipsa]

60 million Americans got H1N1
But mean tweets werent kindling for your #tds hair fire then, were they?


Now, after you google and watch his brief comment here, giigle who Klain is.
And yes, 60 million cases of H1N1.

I made a bet with myself that this quote was being taken out of context. It was. As usual.

The context is a panel discussion on the 100th anniversary of the 1918 flu pandemic.

The question Kain was asked was:

“What could we do to create the incentives for industry to perhaps invest more money in research on this, for a universal flu vaccine, which, of course, companies are working on now?”

And the in-context answer:

I wasn’t involved directly in the H1N1 response, but I lived through it as a White House staffer. And what I will say about it is a bunch of really talented, really great people working on it. And we did every possible thing wrong. And it’s, you know, 60 million Americans got H1N1 in that period of time. And it’s just purely a fortuity that this isn’t one of the great mass casualty events in American history. Had nothing to do with us doing anything right. Just had to do with luck.

If anyone thinks this can’t happen again they don’t have to go back to 1918, they just have to go back to 2009-2010. Imagine a virus with a different lethality and you can just do the math on that. Now, what did that tell us? It told us that the vaccine will arrive late, told us that if it’s not prepared in advance or right away, if we don’t have the answer before, we’re not going to get the answer in time. And it told us that our systems for deciding how to distribute and administer vaccine in the time of crisis are going to be badly, badly tested. They also told us one other thing — that we really lack a global policy mechanism for dealing with these untested vaccines in an emergency situation.

Now, ask yourself, which administration took steps to make the nation more prepared to handle a pandemic and which administration systematically dismantled those steps?

Klain is saying six months was to long to make a vaccine freely available. We're at 11 months and counting. So what, exactly, is the point of this out of context statement?