Gazelam wrote:I don't know what your REAL problem is with the church, but your obviously unfamiliar with the spirit of revelation and its function.
I'm exactly as familiar with it as you are. It's fake -- so understanding it any better would be impossible.
But I do think that convincing oneself that an InvisiblePowerbroker gave a MagicRock to a SelfProclaimedProphet until he got hisself good enough with it to do the magic without needing it, really, really makes my testicles hurt.
I just don't understand why this God doesn't just create the EndState being. It's hard to respect him for making his plan so silly and full of so many tricks that some of us won't get it and be consigned to hell. Sounds like he's full of childish pique to me.
"Suppose we've chosen the wrong god. Every time we go to church we're just making him madder and madder" --Homer Simpson's version of Pascal's Wager
Religion began when the first scoundrel met the first fool.
Religion is ignorance reduced to a system.
You need to hit the books my friend, you need to gain a better understanding of the pre-existence. Further into section 93:
29 Man was also in the beginning with God. Intelligence, or the light of truth, was not created or made, neither indeed can be.
30 All truth is independent in that sphere in which God has placed it, to act for itself, as all intelligence also; otherwise there is no existence.
31 Behold, here is the agency of man, and here is the condemnation of man; because that which was from the beginning is plainly manifest unto them, and they receive not the light.
32 And every man whose spirit receiveth not the light is under condemnation.
33 For man is spirit. The elements are eternal, and spirit and element, inseparably connected, receive a fulness of joy;
34 And when separated, man cannot receive a fulness of joy.
35 The elements are the tabernacle of God; yea, man is the tabernacle of God, even temples; and whatsoever temple is defiled, God shall destroy that temple.
36 The glory of God is intelligence, or, in other words, light and truth.
37 Light and truth forsake that evil one.
38 Every spirit of man was innocent in the beginning; and God having redeemed man from the fall, men became again, in their infant state, innocent before God.
39 And that wicked one cometh and taketh away light and truth, through disobedience, from the children of men, and because of the tradition of their fathers.
40 But I have commanded you to bring up your children in light and truth.
There are no shortcuts to exaltation. Lucifer had the plan to force us all to gain the knowledge God possesed, which is what you speak of. But we must overcome death and decay, and choose life and creation of our own free will. We must learn to desire these things, not simply understand them, Lucifer understands this, but seeks not after it.
Gaz
We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light. - Plato
Gazelam wrote:You...need to gain a better understanding of the pre-existence.
You need to think about a word like "pre-existence" and how oxymoronic it is. What was in this so-called "pre-existence"? Spirits? Oh. So then it couldn't be a "pre-existence" since things "existed" there.
It's really sad how Mormons accept the silly words without questioning them. No wonder they're sometimes referred to as "sheeple".
Gazelam wrote:There are no shortcuts to exaltation.
Friend, there are no shortcuts to knowledge and spending your time reading made up revelations only cements your indoctrination and prevents your education.
Maybe you should read in another holy book
Introduction wrote:After thousands of years, all were destroyed except the Lamanites, and they are the principal ancestors of the American Indians. (Introduction to the Book of Mormon)
...only now that there is NO DNA evidence to support the assertion that Hebrews were the principle ancestors of the Lamanites, it's likely that the D&C was just more of the made-up story to support the conman.
"Suppose we've chosen the wrong god. Every time we go to church we're just making him madder and madder" --Homer Simpson's version of Pascal's Wager
Religion began when the first scoundrel met the first fool.
Religion is ignorance reduced to a system.
Gazelam using subject MormonLiar wrote:Noah came before the flood, I come before the fire - Joseph Smith
Too -- many -- jokes! -- Resist -- the -- temptation!
"Suppose we've chosen the wrong god. Every time we go to church we're just making him madder and madder" --Homer Simpson's version of Pascal's Wager
Religion began when the first scoundrel met the first fool.
Religion is ignorance reduced to a system.
Gazelam wrote:Robert L Millet is my second favorite speaker. I have a number of his talks saved to my computer, as well as a number of his talks on cd that I listen to going too and from work. I don't understand the problem you have with what is said here. The gospel comes Line upon Line, precept upon precept. Did Christ teach the Apostles the fulness of the gospel right away? or did he teach them faith, then repentence, then baptism, and so forth and so on until he took three with him to the mount of transfiguration?
I really wish you would study more polygamy, then you might not misunderstand when things like this are said.
Line upon line sounds like a euphemism for reeling someone in slowly--I think its like scientology where you don't get to know about Xenu until you've committed half your life to the religion.
Unfair tactics.
Every man women and child who is considering joining Mormonism should be told all about polygamy, kolob, adam god, polyandry, backs and the priesthood, black skin lamanites, the whole story about the Book of Abraham papyri and also what goes on in the temple. It should be totaly open.
MormonMendacity wrote:When I was a missionary it went like this...
MM, you seem to have used this statement is at least a few posts in an attempt to impart some level of credibility to your statements. You are a man, just like Joseph Smith was a man. But you don't claim to be a prophet. And yet, people are supposed to believe you because you were a missionary? Rather than giving us "line-upon-line" on your background and reasons for your current beliefs, why not tell us the WHOLE story about what turned you against the beliefs that you must have once believed. And, if you were so easily swayed against your original beliefs, why would anyone so readily accept your current set of beliefs.
If God is not, the only thing that makes sense is survival of the fittest. If that is true, you are just wasting your time typing away at the computer. It does not buy you anything, except maybe a sense of revenge that you are helping other people fall away from their beliefs. Which leads back to my original query. Tell us the truth, in every minute detail, about your "dillusionment." But remember, if you leave anything out, how can anyone trust you or possibly believe anything you say.
