Did Joseph Smith Make Any Falsifiable Prophecies?

[_maklelan]

D&C 87:

1 Verily, thus saith the Lord concerning the wars that will shortly come to pass, beginning at the rebellion of South Carolina, which will eventually terminate in the death and misery of many souls;
2 And the time will come that war will be poured out upon all nations, beginning at this place.
3 For behold, the Southern States shall be divided against the Northern States, and the Southern States will call on other nations, even the nation of Great Britain, as it is called, and they shall also call upon other nations, in order to defend themselves against other nations; and then war shall be poured out upon all nations.
4 And it shall come to pass, after many days, slaves shall rise up against their masters, who shall be marshaled and disciplined for war.
5 And it shall come to pass also that the remnants who are left of the land will marshal themselves, and shall become exceedingly angry, and shall vex the Gentiles with a sore vexation.
6 And thus, with the asword and by bloodshed the inhabitants of the earth shall mourn; and with famine, and plague, and earthquake, and the thunder of heaven, and the fierce and vivid lightning also, shall the inhabitants of the earth be made to feel the wrath, and indignation, and chastening hand of an Almighty God, until the consumption decreed hath made a full fend of all nations;
7 That the cry of the saints, and of the blood of the saints, shall cease to come up into the ears of the Lord of Sabaoth, from the earth, to be avenged of their enemies.
8 Wherefore, stand ye in holy places, and be not moved, until the day of the Lord come; for behold, it cometh quickly, saith the Lord. Amen.

[_Bond...James Bond]

D&C 87:

1 Verily, thus saith the Lord concerning the wars that will shortly come to pass, beginning at the rebellion of South Carolina, which will eventually terminate in the death and misery of many souls;
2 And the time will come that war will be poured out upon all nations, beginning at this place.
3 For behold, the Southern States shall be divided against the Northern States, and the Southern States will call on other nations, even the nation of Great Britain, as it is called, and they shall also call upon other nations, in order to defend themselves against other nations; and then war shall be poured out upon all nations.
4 And it shall come to pass, after many days, slaves shall rise up against their masters, who shall be marshaled and disciplined for war.
5 And it shall come to pass also that the remnants who are left of the land will marshal themselves, and shall become exceedingly angry, and shall vex the Gentiles with a sore vexation.
6 And thus, with the asword and by bloodshed the inhabitants of the earth shall mourn; and with famine, and plague, and earthquake, and the thunder of heaven, and the fierce and vivid lightning also, shall the inhabitants of the earth be made to feel the wrath, and indignation, and chastening hand of an Almighty God, until the consumption decreed hath made a full fend of all nations;
7 That the cry of the saints, and of the blood of the saints, shall cease to come up into the ears of the Lord of Sabaoth, from the earth, to be avenged of their enemies.
8 Wherefore, stand ye in holy places, and be not moved, until the day of the Lord come; for behold, it cometh quickly, saith the Lord. Amen.

Thanks.

I don't think it took a genius to know a struggle of some sort was brewing between the North and the South over slavery. The first skirmish was in 1820 when South Carolina was going to secede but was forced back by Jackson. The struggle was postponed with the Missouri Compromise of 1850, then of course the War in 1861, but everyone knew something had to be done with the slavery (and the economic, political, and social issues that arose from it).

I read a letter or something from Calhoun (who was a leading southerner from South Carolina) to John Quincy Adams talking about war in 1820. I think a war between the North and the South was inevitable and pretty much everyone knew it. A prophecy about Civil War in the 1840s-50s wouldn't exactly have been a stretch of the imagination.

Of course alot of that is just sensationalist stuff....earthquakes and thunder didn't happen, unless you count the cannons.

Great Britain didn't ally with the South either. Turned out they liked beef more than cotton.

Bond

[_Who Knows]

Maklelan - are you suggesting that the civil war prophecy was a falsifiable prophecy?

Or were you just posting that for Bond?

[_Bond...James Bond]

Maklelan - are you suggesting that the civil war prophecy was a falsifiable prophecy?

Or were you just posting that for Bond?

Sorry Who Knows, I think he was posting that for me. Sorry to derail the thread. Like I'm doing right now.

Bond

[_Who Knows]

Maklelan - are you suggesting that the civil war prophecy was a falsifiable prophecy?

Or were you just posting that for Bond?

Sorry Who Knows, I think he was posting that for me. Sorry to derail the thread. Like I'm doing right now.

Bond

You're not derailing. This is one of the TBM's favorite fulfilled prophecy examples. I want to know if it's 'falsifiable', and if any others are.

[_Runtu]

Thanks.

I don't think it took a genius to know a struggle of some sort was brewing between the North and the South over slavery. The first skirmish was in 1820 when South Carolina was going to secede but was forced back by Jackson. The struggle was postponed with the Missouri Compromise of 1850, then of course the War in 1861, but everyone knew something had to be done with the slavery (and the economic, political, and social issues that arose from it).

I read a letter or something from Calhoun (who was a leading southerner from South Carolina) to John Quincy Adams talking about war in 1820. I think a war between the North and the South was inevitable and pretty much everyone knew it. A prophecy about Civil War in the 1840s-50s wouldn't exactly have been a stretch of the imagination.

Of course alot of that is just sensationalist stuff....earthquakes and thunder didn't happen, unless you count the cannons.

Great Britain didn't ally with the South either. Turned out they liked beef more than cotton.

Bond

You left out a crucial point. When Joseph issued his prophecy, the nation was in the middle of the Nullification Crisis (guess which state it involved?). On December 10, 1832, two weeks before Joseph's pronouncement, President Andrew Jackson wrote that "South Carolina stood on the brink of insurrection and treason." And Unionist James Petigru wrote "Nullification has done its work. It has prepared the minds of men for a separation of the states - and when the question is moved again it will be distinctly union or disunion."

It didn't take a genius or prophet to recognize that the nation was on the brink of civil war.

[_rcrocket]

1. D&C 117:12 (July 18, 1838): "And again, I say unto you, I remember my servant Oliver Granger; behold, verily I say unto him that his name shall be had in sacred remembrance from generation to generation, forever and ever, saith the Lord."

Oliver died in Kirtland in 1841, and is virtually unknown today, even by TBM's. This prophecy could easily be fulfilled by erecting a statue of the man on Temple Square. ;)

Hmm. Do you think your name will be memoralized in the D&C commending you for your financial sacrifice? What better way of memoralization than having your name in canonized scripture?

One my favorite prophecies was one uttered by Spencer W. Kimball. He was sitting in a restaurant in Guatemala with the first mission president of that country (my grandfather), the week the mission opened. Elder Kimball pointed to a waiter and remarked that the man would be the first Melchizedek Priesthood holder in that country.

The man was not the first baptized -- he wasn't baptized for a year or more. He wasn't the first to receive the Aaronic Priesthood. But, he did join the church and was indeed the first to receive the higher priesthood.


P

[_Runtu]

Hmm. Do you think your name will be memoralized in the D&C commending you for your financial sacrifice? What better way of memoralization than having your name in canonized scripture?

One my favorite prophecies was one uttered by Spencer W. Kimball. He was sitting in a restaurant in Guatemala with the first mission president of that country (my grandfather), the week the mission opened. Elder Kimball pointed to a waiter and remarked that the man would be the first Melchizedek Priesthood holder in that country.

The man was not the first baptized -- he wasn't baptized for a year or more. He wasn't the first to receive the Aaronic Priesthood. But, he did join the church and was indeed the first to receive the higher priesthood.

P

I realize that you have a policy of not responding to me, but I kind of like that story. It would be interesting to go back and see what happened between the time of this event and the man's ordination. Sort of reminds me of the stories people told about Huacuyo in Bolivia.

[_rcrocket]

Hmm. Do you think your name will be memoralized in the D&C commending you for your financial sacrifice? What better way of memoralization than having your name in canonized scripture?

One my favorite prophecies was one uttered by Spencer W. Kimball. He was sitting in a restaurant in Guatemala with the first mission president of that country (my grandfather), the week the mission opened. Elder Kimball pointed to a waiter and remarked that the man would be the first Melchizedek Priesthood holder in that country.

The man was not the first baptized -- he wasn't baptized for a year or more. He wasn't the first to receive the Aaronic Priesthood. But, he did join the church and was indeed the first to receive the higher priesthood.

P

I realize that you have a policy of not responding to me, but I kind of like that story. It would be interesting to go back and see what happened between the time of this event and the man's ordination. Sort of reminds me of the stories people told about Huacuyo in Bolivia.

I do respond to you. I worried you won't be back when somebody made a crack post about your Godhood status.

P

[_Runtu]

I realize that you have a policy of not responding to me, but I kind of like that story. It would be interesting to go back and see what happened between the time of this event and the man's ordination. Sort of reminds me of the stories people told about Huacuyo in Bolivia.

I do respond to you. I worried you won't be back when somebody made a crack post about your Godhood status.

P[/quote]

Thank you. That's nice to hear. I'm pretty harmless, generally.