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Post by _marg »

previously: You have a problem with evidence and reasoning from it?


Coggins7 wrote:No, but as my Doppleganger pointed out, I do have a problem with a priori philosophical assumptions that leap far beyond the limits of logical reasoning into areas well beyond the perceptual limits imposed by the methodology of critical reasoning itself.


So you have a problem with Mormonism claims?

Coggins7 wrote:What lies beyond those perceptual limits? Well, since rational thought processes cannot themselves provide any answer, one is stuck either with throwing up the hands and assuming that the inherent perceptual limitations imposed by the structure of critical thought itself defines what is perceivable, or one can open one's mind to the possibility that the perceptual limitations of the human mind and any intellectual disciplines constructed to negotiate aspects of the phenomenal world our senses are capable of receiving and processing are real, and that levels of reality may exist outside our own perceptual limitations for which the methodologies and intellectual tools we have developed, based as they are in the very perceptual limitations that govern the range and depth of our experience, are inadequate as tools by which we can access and comprehend those phenomena.


Well now you appear to be promoting science. Science acknowledges the limitation of perception, though what can be perceived changes as tools are created which enhance our abilities. But science only interprets the world, it doesn't leap to conclusions willy nilly absent evidence like religion and it doesn't assume to know exactly what is reality ..it interprets the data accessed via the senses with the aid of tools.

Coggins7 wrote:Our perceptual range as beings is severely limited both by our environment (what we expect to perceive) as well as by the inherent structure of our organism (how we perceive).


You are correct.
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Post by _guy sajer »

Coggins7 wrote:But Bond, Dawkins has had a complete conversion experience; a complete change of heart, and has "no more desire to do evil, but to do good continually." He's been born of God. Hence, the reckless, simplistic rhetoric and smarm we see in his recent book will not be seen while he remains in this forum.

Oh oh...I can feel it coming on again...


And this from the guy who complains about the lack of intelligent, civil discourse on this board.

Why does anyone here take this bozo seriously?
God . . . "who mouths morals to other people and has none himself; who frowns upon crimes, yet commits them all; who created man without invitation, . . . and finally, with altogether divine obtuseness, invites this poor, abused slave to worship him ..."
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Post by _Mercury »

Coggins7 wrote:But Bond, Dawkins has had a complete conversion experience; a complete change of heart, and has "no more desire to do evil, but to do good continually." He's been born of God. Hence, the reckless, simplistic rhetoric and smarm we see in his recent book will not be seen while he remains in this forum.

Oh oh...I can feel it coming on again...


At what point did Dawkins start drinking my Bong water?
And crawling on the planet's face
Some insects called the human race
Lost in time
And lost in space...and meaning
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