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_beastie
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I think you're right, Beastie. Of course, this means that Ray is an enormous, ugly hypocrite. He went on for pages, deriding us for using anonymity, and now, he is using it himself, trying very hard to avoid answering simple questions about his MAD handle, etc. It is amazing that he's able to live with himself.


Of course I don't have any solid "proof" of this suspicion, but I haven't been able to think of anyone else who would be so familiar with my previous thoughts to refer to them at least twice so far, who is familiar with the posters on this board, and would be interested in critiquing atheism.

But aside from whether or not ALITD is Ray, I already concluded he was a hypocrite when he admitted that there is institutionalized bigotry against exmormons, but that it is such an ingrained part of the faith it will never be eliminated, but exmormons should "wear it" in regards to the pejorative expressions about former believers who reject the faith. In fact, we should follow his example and embrace the pejorative terms as accurate descriptors. But when exmormons engage in pejorative language against believers, we're the personification of evil and encouraging future violence. I need no other proof of his hypocrisy than that.

And unless he corrects Juliann's misrepresentation of his thoughts on his "angry exmormon" MAD thread, there is more proof. He specified that he was not just talking about exmormons who engage in obviously inflammatory language, but also "smooth talkers" in denial about their own anger. Juliann, in response to Renegade's response that it doesn't seem kosher to criticize exmormons for coming to MAD and expressing their criticisms when they were invited to do so, insisted that Ray's only talking about "angry" ones who would be banned from MAD.

Of course, MAD has established a long, reliable history of only banning critics who engage in inflammatory pejorative behavior. You know, those wild-eyed inflammatory hot-headed critics like Moksha, runtu, Truth Dancer, etc etc...
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Post by _Mercury »

head case wrote:Since Christians (Mormons, Catholics, Pentacostals etc.) make up the worlds' largest religious category, then that means Mormons are common and therefore not abnormal.


Mormonism is to Christianity as Aum Shinrikyo is to Budhism.

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Hey, if his hair was white he'd be the spitting image of brigham young! Of course, Brigham Young was much more effective. BY killed over 120 people during his act of terror. Aum only killed 12 people.
And crawling on the planet's face
Some insects called the human race
Lost in time
And lost in space...and meaning
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Post by _Mr. Coffee »

VegasRefugee wrote:Mormonism is to Christianity as Aum Shinrikyo is to Budhism.



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On Mathematics: I divided by zero! Oh SHI....
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Post by _beastie »

More evidence that Ray is most likely ALITD: Ray shares his current "interest" in atheism:



What was the bit about "beastie and her sisters"? My real life sisters? I must have missed that exchange.

I'm not surprised that Juliann thought sociologists provided support for Ray's assertions, since, as far as I could tell from our exchange about Bromley, she tends to distort what the sociologists are saying.

Here was an interesting aside from Ray, expanding on why his ego is wounded by exmormons in particular, and atheist exmormons in specific:

I'm not impressed with "ark steadies", but I'm not denying their right to post either. I'm wondering why there seems to be so many "brights" among exmos. And this comment from Dennett says a lot too. He really believes that believers are not very bright. I'm coming from the other end of the spectrum to Dennett. Here is Dennett's definition of a "bright":

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What is a bright?

* A bright is a person who has a naturalistic worldview
* A bright's worldview is free of supernatural and mystical elements
* The ethics and actions of a bright are based on a naturalistic worldview


If you don't hold a naturalistic worldview, you're not very bright. Someone said they found this thread offensive. Well I find Dennett's opinion offensive, very much so. Dawkins is on his mission to end religion, so is Dennett, and I will oppose them (not that I don't have objections to aspects of religion, but I think it will be horrific if society went the way Dennett/Dawkins want). I think some exmos take the same approach to Mormonism.


Heh. This objection to the term "brights" was funny when it occurred... particularly when it was being objected to by people who call themselves "saints". ;)



http://www.mormonapologetics.org/index. ... 4217&st=60
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Post by _A Light in the Darkness »

Mister Scratch wrote:
I think you're right, Beastie. Of course, this means that Ray is an enormous, ugly hypocrite. He went on for pages, deriding us for using anonymity, and now, he is using it himself, trying very hard to avoid answering simple questions about his MAD handle, etc. It is amazing that he's able to live with himself.


I love how you went from concluding that I'm a MAD TBM on the basis of nothing beyond me referencing it and being somewhat familiar with some posters here to concluding that I'm "Ray" and then calling me an enormous, ugly hypocrite because I'm Ray. In truth, I find it more amusing than I probably should. It's kinda sad how blind you are to your irrational witch hunt mentality when you percieve someone to be an enemy of you.
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Post by _A Light in the Darkness »

Are you a "bright" Beastie? Praytell, can you define for me what counts as something "natural" without simply tautologically defining whatever it is that you think exists as natural? What'makes something supernatural?

Bright is a silly, arrogant term for a variety of reasons, but the one that gets me is the obvious attempt at associating intelligence with their position followed by the dramatic denials.
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Post by _beastie »

Ray, yer cracking me up. My sides are hurting!!!


It's kinda sad how blind you are to your irrational witch hunt mentality when you percieve someone to be an enemy of you.
We hate to seem like we don’t trust every nut with a story, but there’s evidence we can point to, and dance while shouting taunting phrases.

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Post by _A Light in the Darkness »

beastie wrote:Ray, yer cracking me up. My sides are hurting!!!


Et tu Beastie? If this is your capacity for patience, weighing reason and evidence, and willingness to admit to yourself the need for further reflection you had when you rejected God, it is no wonder.
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Post by _beastie »

Ray,

Oh, please, leave the ego by the door. You're not seriously going to pretend you can extrapolate information about my search for God from my responses to YOU??? After they way you have behaved?? You are disconnected from the reality of your behavior.

And, by the way, you don't want answers about why exmormons are angry. You have been given answers repeatedly every time you bring it up. Obviously, you don't think they are the "right" answers.

I'm sure you're fooling yourself and the Juliannesque posters of MAD with your "I just want answers" bit, but believe me, others see right through you. You just want to vent. One more time. One more time. One more time.

And you are different from the RFM venters you detest....how?

Oh, that's right, I forgot. You're right and they're wrong.
We hate to seem like we don’t trust every nut with a story, but there’s evidence we can point to, and dance while shouting taunting phrases.

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Post by _beastie »

by the way, could you have chosen a more ironic sockpuppet screen name? "A Light in the Darkness"? Have you actually read the vitriol you post over here, Ray???

yeah, that's some kinda light, all right. Let it shine, let it shine.
We hate to seem like we don’t trust every nut with a story, but there’s evidence we can point to, and dance while shouting taunting phrases.

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