ajax18 wrote:I'd tend to agree. I think it's always more meaningful to see them in person. I guess it's like that with any celebrity. Seeing Bruce R. McKonckie speak in person was far different than any satellite broadcast. Isn't that their argument about why they send missionaries, because it's more meaningful in person. I'd give anything to even take a Stake President on some of our reactivation visits to hear the straight talk. Could it be that he would just rather someonelse had to face it?
I had a Stake Presidency a few years ago that had a personal goal of visiting every less-active member in the Stake. They were doing pretty well when I moved out.
Boy I'd like to see that. Did they go to any of the really angry ones?
And when the confederates saw Jackson standing fearless as a stone wall the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
ajax18 wrote:Boy I'd like to see that. Did they go to any of the really angry ones?
Yeah. Sometimes they just got screamed at at the door. Some talked to them.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
Then my hat is off to them. The only activation or missionary work I've seen any of my Stake Presidents do is to brow beat the lower rank and file into doing it. I've heard stories like that of Mission Presidents going tracting with the elders. I'd love to have worked with someone like that. Most leaders I've worked with stay guarded behind their office doors and never take questions.
And when the confederates saw Jackson standing fearless as a stone wall the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
ajax18 wrote:Then my hat is off to them. The only activation or missionary work I've seen any of my Stake Presidents do is to brow beat the lower rank and file into doing it. I've heard stories like that of Mission Presidents going tracting with the elders. I'd love to have worked with someone like that. Most leaders I've worked with stay guarded behind their office doors and never take questions.
Few religious groups or the hierarchy in those groups are made comfortable by questions. That’s particularly the case as the religion represented by them is less and less rational.
The interrogation of intelligent questioning is not welcomed. That's not limited to LDS or RLDS. Religion generally resists honest investigation.
ajax18 wrote:Then my hat is off to them. The only activation or missionary work I've seen any of my Stake Presidents do is to brow beat the lower rank and file into doing it. I've heard stories like that of Mission Presidents going tracting with the elders. I'd love to have worked with someone like that. Most leaders I've worked with stay guarded behind their office doors and never take questions.
My Mission President would go out tracting with Elders quite a bit. He felt that he could hardly give advice on Missionary Work unless he was doing it. My Mission President was an amazing teacher though. He encouraged any Elders with questions about Doctrine to write them in and he would talk about all of them at the next Zone Conference. Only guy I've known that I could listen to for 2 hours and still want more.
I never had that problem with local leaders and questions either. Admittedly my father was Bishop for much of my youth and it's hard to avoid questions when you live in the same house as the questioner though I don't think he ever wanted to avoid my questions.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
ajax18 wrote:Then my hat is off to them. The only activation or missionary work I've seen any of my Stake Presidents do is to brow beat the lower rank and file into doing it. I've heard stories like that of Mission Presidents going tracting with the elders. I'd love to have worked with someone like that. Most leaders I've worked with stay guarded behind their office doors and never take questions.
Few religious groups or the hierarchy in those groups are made comfortable by questions. That’s particularly the case as the religion represented by them is less and less rational.
The interrogation of intelligent questioning is not welcomed. That's not limited to LDS or RLDS. Religion generally resists honest investigation.
JAK
From what I've read it seems that at least for a while, the prophet Joseph Smith answered a lot of questions people had that left them dissatisfied with the current religion. Even if it looks like the Book of Mormon and Book of Abraham are not quite what they said they were, I still believe Joseph was a great prophet. I think he truly taught people more about God and themselves. Unfortunately as far as I'm concerned his successors really haven't come up with much at all. It seems like revelation for all practical purposes stopped once he was gone.
And when the confederates saw Jackson standing fearless as a stone wall the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
ajax18 wrote:Then my hat is off to them. The only activation or missionary work I've seen any of my Stake Presidents do is to brow beat the lower rank and file into doing it. I've heard stories like that of Mission Presidents going tracting with the elders. I'd love to have worked with someone like that. Most leaders I've worked with stay guarded behind their office doors and never take questions.
Few religious groups or the hierarchy in those groups are made comfortable by questions. That’s particularly the case as the religion represented by them is less and less rational.
The interrogation of intelligent questioning is not welcomed. That's not limited to LDS or RLDS. Religion generally resists honest investigation.
JAK
From what I've read it seems that at least for a while, the prophet Joseph Smith answered a lot of questions people had that left them dissatisfied with the current religion. Even if it looks like the Book of Mormon and Book of Abraham are not quite what they said they were, I still believe Joseph was a great prophet. I think he truly taught people more about God and themselves. Unfortunately as far as I'm concerned his successors really haven't come up with much at all. It seems like revelation, healings, for all practical purposes stopped once he was gone.
And when the confederates saw Jackson standing fearless as a stone wall the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.