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Here’s a wonderful dissection of Karen Armstrong by Hugh Fitzgerald. Please read the whole article.
Here is how she begins:

“In 1492, the year that is often said to inaugurate the modern era, three very important events happened in Spain. In January, the Catholic monarchs Ferdinand and Isabella conquered the city of Granada, the last Muslim stronghold in Europe; later, Muslims were given the choice of conversion to Christianity or exile. In March, the Jews of Spain were also forced to choose between baptism and deportation. Finally, in August, Christopher Columbus, a Jewish convert to Catholicism and a protégé of Ferdinand and Isabella, crossed the Atlantic and discovered the West Indies. One of his objectives had been to find a new route to India, where Christians could establish a military base for another crusade against Islam As they sailed into the new world, western people carried a complex burden of prejudice that was central to their identity.”
This first paragraph is a scandal, consisting almost entirely of baseless assertions, incredible omissions, and complete fabrications. But it is not inexplicable. For Karen Armstrong history does not exist. It is putty in the hands of the person who writes about history. You use it to make a point, to do good as you see it. And whatever you need to twist or omit is justified by the purity of your intentions – and Karen Armstrong always has the purest of intentions. She knows that we in the “white Western world” (as some like to call it) fail to understand others. She knows of our deep need to create “the Other” – a psychic need felt exclusively, and with great intensity, apparently, only by us, and never by anyone else. Though Western civilization, a product that was formed from the inheritance of both classical antiquity and of Christianity (which itself has a strong Hebraic element, that it should be called Judeo-Christianity, a word about which some are still self-conscious), has far outstripped any rival in its achievements, collective and by individuals, in art and science, in political and economic thought, in social development, and has really never needed to create the “Other” (the entire business is an ideological fashion which is by this point getting long in the seminar and call-for-papers tooth). Indeed, it is Islam which, though Karen Armstrong does not see it, because she knows nothing about Islam (which doesn’t keep her from writing about it, endlessly), has the strongest claim to being based on the need of its Believers for “the Other.” It is in Islam that emphasis is placed constantly on the only division that matters: that between Believer (to whom all loyalty is owed by other Believers, and for whom all transgressions may be forgiven, except that of disloyalty to Islam) and the Unbeliever, or Infidel (who must be opposed, and subjugated if such an Infidel refuses to accept Islam or stands in the way of its spread). That Armstrong fails to see this is extraordinary; it is everywhere in Qur’an, Hadith, and Sira. But she is on a mission: to make us feel guilty about our treatment of Muslims in the past (hence the harping on the Crusades, and the failure to offer the context of those Crusades, or the difference between the Crusades and Jihad). She wants to evoke a guilt that need not exist at all, so that we will, today, be inhibited from responding to Muslim atrocities and the attitudes that promote such atrocities – this she cannot abide.
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Her every word adds to the absurdity. There is no evidence for Armstrong’s assertions about Columbus himself, or about what motivated him. History is putty in her hands, we said earlier. But the word putty does not do her infantile approach to history justice. History is for Karen Armstrong not so much putty as Playdoh. She can roll it about, she can pull it apart, she can twist and turn it with the same delight exhibited by a two-year-old when a-too-solid block of Playdoh is finally softened up for use by grown-up hands. But the two-year-old is an innocent at play, and even if he leaves a momentary mess, he has done no real harm. Karen Armstrong is not innocent, and manages to do a great deal of harm, careless or premeditated harm, to history. Too many people read that she has written a few books, and assume, on the basis of nothing, that “she must know what she is talking about” – and some of the nonsense sticks. And perhaps an enraged professor or two bothers to dismiss her, but mostly – this is how the vast public, in debased democracies, learns its history today. It is hearsay as history – “Karen Armstrong says” or “John Esposito says.”
And that is only her first paragraph.
http://www.newenglishreview.org/custpag ... ec_id=7158
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I'm not sure why you posted this. Are you aware that Bushman cites Armstrong's bio of Muhammad as a model for his?

In my review of Bushman's book, which I read at MHA a couple of years ago, where he also spoke, I said:

The Irenic Approach

In the Preface, Richard cites Karen Armstrong’s biography of Muhammad as a model for his approach to Joseph Smith. Armstrong’s book has been acclaimed more for its attempt to help westerners understand Muhammad and Islam from the perspective of believers--which Richard calls the “irenic viewpoint”--than for its critical analysis of sources and insights about the man. I suspect Richard’s scholarship is better than Armstrong’s; even so, his biography is open to similar complaints.

Like Armstrong, Richard wants to treat Smith’s accounts of his visions and revelations “as if they actually occurred” (xxii). By doing so, he believes he has “unimpeded access to his mind” and is able “to think as Smith thought” (xxii). Richard is aware that an irenic approach to Smith necessarily involves thinking like a believer and setting aside “the contradictions and incongruities in the Prophet’s record” (xxii). In this regard, Richard has done a good job of representing the Joseph Smith of faith--at least as held by a majority of those who currently call him a prophet--even if there are serious questions about its correspondence to the Joseph Smith of history.

The irenic approach, in my view, cannot deal with the complexities of Joseph Smith and his claims. Unlike Muhammad’s revelations, the Book of Mormon is susceptible to historical testing. If the historian decides it has no historical basis, then Smith’s claims about the angel and gold plates cannot be taken at face value. Moreover, how should we handle his revelations when some of them advocate the use of inspired deception or misdirection? How do we treat his account of visions when within the same history he deceptively handles his concurrent activities as a treasure seer? Is it wise to adopt an uncritical approach with a man who, according to Richard, believes “that any moral rule, any commonsense limitation on any human constraint, could be overthrown by a revelation” (442)? Isn’t our access to such a mind impeded by our own unwillingness to deal with the contradictions and incongruities?


Is this where you were headed?
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Hi Dan,

No. People on this MB have made favorable references to Armstrong in the past. She always struck me as superficial.

Richard
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richardMdBorn wrote:Hi Dan,

No. People on this MB have made favorable references to Armstrong in the past. She always struck me as superficial.

Richard


I see. What little I know of her work, I think you are right. But I think it's intentional.
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Hi Dan,

I'm surprised that Richard Bushman would compliment, however indirectly, Karen Armstrong's work. Bushman has a good reputation in scholarly circles (though you may be able to correct me here). One of my history profs at Trinity Evangelical Divinity School spoke highly of his scholarship.

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Hi Richard...

No. People on this MB have made favorable references to Armstrong in the past. She always struck me as superficial


I'm not an expert but have read several of her books.... Have you read her latest biography? The Spiral Staircase? She may be lots of things but "superficial?"

I don't see it at all.

:-)

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truth dancer wrote:Hi Richard...

No. People on this MB have made favorable references to Armstrong in the past. She always struck me as superficial


I'm not an expert but have read several of her books.... Have you read her latest biography? The Spiral Staircase? She may be lots of things but "superficial?"

I don't see it at all.

:-)

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Hi Truth Dancer. I haven't read her latest book. To me, reading KA is like the search for the historical Jesus. The searchers ended up with a historical Jesus which bore more than a passing resemblance to themselves. Islam as portrayed by KA bears little relation to the religion, but it wouldn't surprise me if it's a lot like KA's current viewpoint.
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Hi Truth Dancer. I haven't read her latest book. To me, reading KA is like the search for the historical Jesus. The searchers ended up with a historical Jesus which bore more than a passing resemblance to themselves. Islam as portrayed by KA bears little relation to the religion, but it wouldn't surprise me if it's a lot like KA's current viewpoint.


Are you an expert on Islam? I am at a bit of other mercy becuase I am not. I read Armstrong's History of God and frankly on Islam did not understand a good part of it. But her remarks onf some of the history of monotheism in Christianity did not seem all the far off.
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Jason Bourne wrote:
Hi Truth Dancer. I haven't read her latest book. To me, reading KA is like the search for the historical Jesus. The searchers ended up with a historical Jesus which bore more than a passing resemblance to themselves. Islam as portrayed by KA bears little relation to the religion, but it wouldn't surprise me if it's a lot like KA's current viewpoint.


Are you an expert on Islam? I am at a bit of other mercy becuase I am not. I read Armstrong's History of God and frankly on Islam did not understand a good part of it. But her remarks onf some of the history of monotheism in Christianity did not seem all the far off.
Hi Jason,

No I'm not an expert. But I've read a fair bit of Bernard Lewis. I don't think you need to be an expert to criticize the paragraph that is cited here. It's beyond the average bit of nonsense. My strengths are:
17th C Protestantism
Millerites
GPS history

Richard
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Post by _Dan Vogel »

Bushman cited Armstrong because he was trying to justify writing from a position of acceptance of Joseph Smith's claims--in other words, uncritically. Armstrong wrote to explain Muhammad to non-believers from a believers point of view, although she wasn's a believer herself. That was difficult for her; but, obviously, not for Bushman. But this approach provided him with some justification and cover for his apologetic.
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