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The Mike Quinn/gossip fiasco: What was DCP guilty of?

 
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barrelomonkeys wrote:
Lucretia MacEvil wrote:
I can't figure out how to post an avatar either, if anyone would care to give me a clue.

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barrelomonkeys wrote:
Lucretia MacEvil wrote:I can't figure out how to vote.

If I voted, I'd like an option like this: "He gossiped, but oh, well, the man is genetically unable to restrain himself from telling everything he knows and thinks he knows."



I would have liked the option of "WHO CARES? HOW LONG AGO WAS THIS? WAS I WATCHING THUNDERCATS AFTER SCHOOL WHEN THIS HAPPENED?"


Also a good option, if you're young enough to know who Thundercats were, but nothing seems like so long ago to me. I'm outliving all the glaciers around these parts.
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Lucretia MacEvil wrote:
barrelomonkeys wrote:
Lucretia MacEvil wrote:I can't figure out how to vote.

If I voted, I'd like an option like this: "He gossiped, but oh, well, the man is genetically unable to restrain himself from telling everything he knows and thinks he knows."



I would have liked the option of "WHO CARES? HOW LONG AGO WAS THIS? WAS I WATCHING THUNDERCATS AFTER SCHOOL WHEN THIS HAPPENED?"


Also a good option, if you're young enough to know who Thundercats were, but nothing seems like so long ago to me. I'm outliving all the glaciers around these parts.


LMAO! I think of it as I'm old enough to know who the Thundercats are! :D
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Mister Scratch wrote:
Lucretia MacEvil wrote:I can't figure out how to vote.

If I voted, I'd like an option like this: "He gossiped, but oh, well, the man is genetically unable to restrain himself from telling everything he knows and thinks he knows."

I can't figure out how to post an avatar either, if anyone would care to give me a clue.

Leaving myself wide open ... Lucretia


I think you should vote either 2 and 3, then, Lucretia. It really depends on whether you see the SP's complicity in it all as making everything worse. I.e., it would be one bad thing to merely gossip on the FAIR/MADboard (as DCP has done about his neighbor), but it is another thing entirely to be doling out gossip that involves private ecclesiastical matters.


Too late, I already voted 1 because I'm in the camp that believes in never giving DCP the benefit of the doubt. At least I hope there's a camp. Maybe it's just me.
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Mister Scratch wrote:I.e., it would be one bad thing to merely gossip on the FAIR/MADboard (as DCP has done about his neighbor), but it is another thing entirely to be doling out gossip that involves private ecclesiastical matters.


Therein lies the crux: Forgive me, but it seems to me that such things became "private ecclesiastical matters" only after DCP became aware of the "gossip." So DCP couldn't have doled it out.

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barrelomonkeys wrote:I would have liked the option of "WHO CARES? HOW LONG AGO WAS THIS? WAS I WATCHING THUNDERCATS AFTER SCHOOL WHEN THIS HAPPENED?"

Tsk tsk.

This is a very serious matter. It's extremely important to the two Scratches to portray me as an unethical person. Scratch Senior, in particular, has devoted many, many hours to harvesting materials that he hopes to use against me, and it is really quite unkind of you to treat his crusade so lightly.

I voted for the maximally negative judgment, above, because it matters so very much to certain people.
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Dr. Shades wrote:FYI, please keep it at 120 pixels x 120 pixels or less. If you see the perfect avatar and it happens to be larger than that, PM me the URL and I'll shrink it and upload it for you.


Yes, Doctor.
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Dr. Shades wrote:Although I've already given my opinion on this, what the heck, a new thread offers yet another opportunity, so here goes:

1) He was in on the smear campaign, and participated in it, including the gossipmongering.


I couldn't vote for this, since Quinn's Stake President knew about it before DCP did. Or, if not, the Stake President became aware of it quite independently of DCP--thus absolving him (DCP).

2) He gossiped, and the nature of the gossip itself was unethical/malicious, esp. considering the SP's involvement.


I couldn't vote for this either, since he merely heard about it, which, as Tarski says, can hardly be prevented by the hear-ee.


No, no---I think you misunderstood the option, Shades. The inclusion of the SP has to do with the sensitive nature of this particular gossip. You know, about how it involves matters of confidentiality and all that. E.g., if an attorney blabs about something a client told him, and you hear about it from your friend, it seems slightly worse that gossip you pass along about your next door neighbor. The SP's involvement in this adds the extra layer of violation of a social contract.

3) He gossiped, which was fine, but it crossed the line when he announced it on the FAIRboard.


I couldn't vote for this either, since (strictly speaking) he didn't actually announce it on the FAIRboard. The "gossip" in question was already common knowledge on the FAIR board;


It most certainly was not! The notion that Quinn's SP and DCP's friend were blabbing about his sexual orientation, not to mention this "sad incident," seemed to be news to pretty much everybody.

DCP merely reported that said gossip was also common knowledge to the LDS intelligentsia before Quinn was excommunicated. And although it was common knowledge to that group before Quinn was excommunicated, I believe the fact that post hoc, ergo prompter hoc (sp?) is a logical fallacy ought to be kept in mind.


There seems to be some confusion here. No one is, nor has anyone ever, accused DCP of being the principal, driving force behind Quinn's excommunication. That has never been the charge. The lone charge has been that he was spreading some pretty ugly gossip on the FAIRboard. That's it.

4) Everything was okay, save for the fact that Quinn was ex'ed due to this sort of gossip, which kind of condemns DCP.


I couldn't vote for this one either, for the same reasons that Tarski mentioned. Just because DCP was caught in the crossfire doesn't mean he pulled the trigger.

5) He only gossiped in the strictest, dictionary sense, and hey, don't we all?"


I voted for this one because the report to FAIR only barely lifts it above Option #6. Personally, I don't see anything particularly wrong with gossip in the strictest dictionary definition, just so long as it isn't purposefully leaked to the powers-that-be in order to bring about punitive measures, which in this case didn't happen.


How about if it is purposefully leaked in order to sully somebody's reputation? Sort of like what was going on with the Tom Murphy incident?
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Lucretia MacEvil wrote:I already voted 1 because I'm in the camp that believes in never giving DCP the benefit of the doubt. At least I hope there's a camp. Maybe it's just me.

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