Some Schmo wrote:One of the great things about science is its priority of truth over "being right." People who do real science are looking for the truth at all costs, even at the expense of their own pride. Sincerely wise people understand that they aren't always right, are receptive to making new distinctions and are open to being corrected in all subjects of inquiry. That is also what I consider to be true intellectual honesty.
Perhaps like Diogenes I should get a lantern and go out on the street looking for a intellectually honest man.
I suspect that such a creature doesn't exist--at least not one who consistantly lives to that ideal in all areas of ascertaining truth.
I think they are far more abundant than you imagine. It's the pursuit of the ideal that's the key, not the arrival.
God belief is for people who don't want to live life on the universe's terms.
Tarski wrote:This is like pulling teeth. What were their names?
They would mean nothing to you so I'm not telling you.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
The Nehor wrote: My understanding of theology must be different than yours.
Actually, it's your understanding of reality that seems to be different.
Possible, probably probable.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
The Nehor wrote: My understanding of theology must be different than yours.
Actually, it's your understanding of reality that seems to be different.
Possible, probably probable.
So this is what I mean by "in denial."
Being in denial about something doesn't mean you deny it to others, it's about denying it to your conscious self, and is a very tough thing to break with its intrinsic unawareness.
God belief is for people who don't want to live life on the universe's terms.
mocnarf wrote:..It seems to me that a "testimony" is the result of being able believe in something that is unprovable, and being able to believe it as though it was fact.
Since the metaphysical is unprovable, pure faith is all we have to go on if we choose to believe. I like to believe, thus I keep that separate from acknowledging it as a certainty. Having faith is good enough. As a progressive Mormon Christian, I like to filter all the rest through the two greatest requests of Jesus, that we love God and one another. There is too much conflicting information out there for me to do otherwise and still have a pleasing belief structure. I am sure there are other Mormon Christians besides myself that do the same thing.
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Moderation note: Can you guys please delete some of your quoted material if you're simply going to keep up the one-liners. Thanks-Bond
"Whatever appears to be against the Book of Mormon is going to be overturned at some time in the future. So we can be pretty open minded."-charity 3/7/07
Tarski wrote:This is like pulling teeth. What were their names?
They would mean nothing to you so I'm not telling you.
Cop out. make it mean something to me; tell the story.
Have you got you own little cult or something? I was an active Latter-day Saint for 35 years. Why shouldn't I have ever heard of a God that you have heard of?
Look, here is a simple question Old Testament two.
1. How does one determine that a being is omnipotent just from seeing them?
2. What happened to the oft heard idea that there is only one God with which we have to do?
3. Do you know the distinction between veridical and nonveridical?
Some Schmo wrote:So this is what I mean by "in denial."
Being in denial about something doesn't mean you deny it to others, it's about denying it to your conscious self, and is a very tough thing to break with its intrinsic unawareness.
I don't see what I'm denying. I never admitted your version of reality is more correct :)
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
Tarski wrote:Cop out. make it mean something to me; tell the story. Have you got you own little cult or something? I was an active Latter-day Saint for 35 years. Why shouldn't I have ever heard of a God that you have heard of?
Look, here is a simple question Old Testament two.
1. How does one determine that a being is omnipotent just from seeing them? 2. What happened to the oft heard idea that there is only one God with which we have to do? 3. Do you know the distinction between veridical and nonveridical?
Telling the story would require revealing things about myself my closest friends and family don't know, I'm not sharing them here.
I hadn't heard of them till I met them. There was something I needed to know.
What does being in an organization have to do with knowing something? What they teach in Church is the foundation. You build from there.
1. Holy Ghost telling you and the whole being overwhelmed feeling and barely being able to move afterwards.
2. There is One and Three and many more.
3. Do now, not seeing the relevance though.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo