Will September Dawn drive chapel Mormons to research more?

[_Blixa]

Or is it God who treats gays differently? ; = :

This kind of thing never fails to creep me out.

[_why me]

Or is it God who treats gays differently? ; = :

This kind of thing never fails to creep me out.

It shouldn't. For after all god has treated different people differently. Did not God treat the Jews differently from other groupings? I think so. But being treated differently is not necessarily bad. It just shows understanding.

[_why me]

Or is it God who treats gays differently?

No need to blame God for man's prejudices and bias. We (including the Brethren) are very capable of screwing things up all by ourselves.

Was not God just a little prejudice when he parted the red sea to allow the Jews to escape? For after all many innocent soldiers were killed when the sea swallowed them up. I see god has very understanding of difference but at times not very tolerant. The jews were definitely treated differently in the old testament and in the new testament from other human populations.

[_Rollo Tomasi]

Or is it God who treats gays differently?

No need to blame God for man's prejudices and bias. We (including the Brethren) are very capable of screwing things up all by ourselves.

Was not God just a little prejudice when he parted the red sea to allow the Jews to escape?

So, using your line of reasoning, did God have a reverse prejudice when He allowed 6 million Jews to be murdered by the Nazis? Stop blaming God for man's foibles, like LDS bias over the years against women, blacks, and gays -- this was/is man-made, not God-ordained.

[_guy sajer]

Or is it God who treats gays differently?

No need to blame God for man's prejudices and bias. We (including the Brethren) are very capable of screwing things up all by ourselves.

Was not God just a little prejudice when he parted the red sea to allow the Jews to escape? For after all many innocent soldiers were killed when the sea swallowed them up. I see god has very understanding of difference but at times not very tolerant. The jews were definitely treated differently in the old testament and in the new testament from other human populations.

Wha allows Why Me to spout this nonsense is that (s)he assumes that (s)he belongs to a group that God favors. If (s)he practiced even a smidgeon of empathy and imagined him/herself a member of God's outgroup, one wonders whether s(he) would be so cavalier in dismissing the plight of those in the outgroup.

It is an amazing thing to me how the self-proclaimed morally superior true believers are so adept at abstracting away human suffering. It's the same sort of slipshod moral reasoning that allows persons like Huckleberry to spout ridiculous arguments about how the murderous God of the Old Testament is rather quite the best we can hope for. Does anyone think for a second that if Huckleberry could imagine himself as a member of the group slaughtered, or his wife or daughters captured and raped, by others acting under the direct commandment of a 'benevolent' God, that he would for a second try to rationalize any of it away?

This is moral reasoning from a position of presumed power, and frankly, it is disgusting.

[_Blixa]

This is moral reasoning from a position of presumed power, and frankly, it is disgusting.

exactly.

[_Casslanpepci]

As a never mo I'll tell you what learning about MMM did for me. I was completely stunned and surprised that there was this bit of history I had NEVER heard of.

Well, it has been available for years in various LDS publications -

Church History in the Fullness of Times CES Manual.

It is also mentioned in Essentials in Church History by Joseph Fielding Smith (Deseret book 1979)[copywrite 1950) - the whole of Chapter 44 to be precise!

Also mentioned in The Restored Church by William H Berrett (Deseret Book Co 1977) [copywrite 1961] - the whole of Chapter 37!

Also it is detailed in A Comprehensive History of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints by BH Roberts (BYU Press 1965)[copywrite 1957] Chapters C & CI - starting on Pg 140 to 180!

[_truth dancer]

Hi Casslan... welcome to the board! :-)

It is true that if people go searching and researching, they can find all sorts of information about church history... which is exactly what most of those who discovered the truth have done.

The thing is, from my observation, unless one is really into church history they are not going to spend their money, use their time, and read books written forty or fifty years ago about the church, or take a CES course on church history.

Most believing members of the church that I know, believe they are getting the appropriate and truthful history of the church from the manuals, the Ensign, and conference report.

~dancer~