Recovery from MAD

[_Who Knows]

But it proves that places and people existed as the Bible says

So, at least, there is some kind of score on the Bible's side.

What is the score for the Book of Mormon?

Absolutely......ZERO

Hold on a sec. What about the fact that the American continents definately existed, and that they definately had people living in them, wars, and religion? Furthermore there is indeed some doubt as to whether Jesus existed although it seems there may have been more than one Messiah-type figure in middle east at that time. It's still a long shot from proving that the disciples existed or that Jesus did much of what is attributed to Him in the Bible.

Oh yeah, and NHM.

Yeah, I would put it at about 10%. But then again, that's probably what I'd expect anyone writing a piece of fiction, that's meant to look like real history, to come in at.

I mean, i know next to nothing about ancient china. But if i were to write a book that's meant to look like real history, I'd bet I could get some things 'right'. 10% perhaps? :)

[_Trevor]

You have just made my point. I said that Jesus can be proven and archeology too. But it can not be proven that he was the son of god. It takes faith.

Actually, the existence of a man named Jesus whose life is described in the New Testament has not been proven. In fact, there is a degree of scholarly doubt out there that he even existed. Most non-Christian references to him are vague. The one in Josephus is most likely an interpolation. Indeed, there is nothing outside of the New Testament that would compel one to accept that he was, in fact, a real person. I am not saying there isn't evidence, just that it has not been 'proven'.

[_moksha]

I have a feeling I have worn out my welcome at MAD. Especially after the latest run in: There was a thread about the Landover Baptist Church which is a parody site. The participants were talking about it, but it became clear to me they were mostly unfamiliar with it after reading the posts. I found a self description of the Landover Church from the Wikipedia and so I posted it, hoping to add that highly desired substance to the discussion.

Here is what I got back:

URLs deleted. You are wearing out your welcome with your in-our-face postings Severian. ~ Mods

So I responded:

I have to admit I am stumped. I post an explanation about the topic at hand called About The
Landover Baptist Church, straight from the website and I am accused of posting URLs. Look, the
Landover Baptist Church is a parody. It is not in competition with the MAD board. It was the topic of
discussion, and the explanation of what it was about from the website was meant to be informative.
Sometimes the websites, contains links to other items that are listed in their database. These are to
provide further reference for those who wish a more in depth look at the subject. To claim that these
research links were a violation of my part, seem so unfair. They are an inherent part of article.

I realize this is less about the post and more about animosity toward Severian. Still, I do not feel right about this exchange.

Here was the in your face information.

About Us Landover (God's Favorite Church):

We are a Bible believing, Fundamentalist, Independent Baptist Church. We are 157,286 members strong. Our Church Campus is located in Freehold, Iowa and rests on 35 acres of some of the most beautiful country you'd ever care to set your eyes upon. Our church holds 28 paid pastors, 131 paid deacons, 412 full time staff members, LCA (Landover Christian Academy), LCU (Landover Christian University), 11 fully equipped chapels, Four 2,000 seat sanctuaries, Three 5,000 seat main sanctuaries, the world's largest Christian Mall, a Christian Amusement Park (Landover Bible Theme Park and Red Sea World), A PGA 18 Hole Golf Course, 3 Fitness Centers, 4 Olympic sized swimming pools, Landover Village, Landover Towers, Landover Retirement Community, Center For 2 Churches On Every City Block Foundation, Leviticus Landing (An Exclusive Gated Executive Christian Community for Platinum Tithers™), Exodus Acres (Gold Tithers' Gated Community), *27 Developments, Landover All Purpose Multi-Temple, Spa and Resort Center, Fire Department, 100,000 seat amphitheater, 12 Television studios, 2 radio stations, A Christian Circus Camp, Retreat Center for Republican Candidates, 3 Corporate Christian Office Parks, hot springs, 8 cemeteries, and 243 fully certified Christian police officers.

The linking code is not carried over here. I could find no way to disable it at MAD. However, that is really not the issue. I am having a hard time clearly defining the issue. Can you help out?



by the way, I went back and tried to make a nicer post. Maybe cooler heads there can see that the coded research links embedded in the quoted material were not of Severian's making and be more reasonable.

Well, I did indeed receive a seven day suspension. In political terms, the lesson to this is never challenge the hand that wields unrighteous power. In human terms, it is probably wise to never call attention to their questionable decisions.

[_Trevor]

Well, let me put it this way. Antimormonism began right from the beginning of the LDS church. Books were published, people hooted and shouted against the Mormons, antitheories were unleashed....and yet, to no avail. No one has proven the book false. The open window was in the very beginning when the church was organized and yet, the big antimormon players at that time, didn't even make a dent.

And yet, here we are today, still debating the same crapola about the church. And to what end? Nothing has changed. Nothing can be proven or disproven. And here is the apologist problem: to constantly debate over what cannot be proven or disproven. Likewise for the critic...and this is the problem at the MAD board.

Anti-Mormonism was born from two impulses: the disgruntlement of former believers, and criticism from the Christian competition. Anti-Mormonism is therefore generally an argument about correct and incorrect belief. Disagreements center on claims that cannot be verified. This is why the arguments of anti-Mormons are pointless.

Atheist criticism of religion differs from the usual anti-Mormon criticism. Most atheists usually cite Mormonism simply as one colorful example of dubious religious claims. Their interest is not to fight Mormonism per se, but to place it alongside other religious claims, all of which they do not believe. For them, the argument need not drag on, since most atheists generally agree that religious claims are bogus. Believers who read their material are not likely to agree in any case.

Former members span both camps, and they are the most interested in carrying on the arguments beyond their usual, natural life. Why? Because they are extricating themselves from their Mormon identity, and that can take a good deal of time, depending on the individual in question.

[_Jersey Girl]

mok

Well, I did indeed receive a seven day suspension. In political terms, the lesson to this is never challenge the hand that wields unrighteous power. In human terms, it is probably wise to never call attention to their questionable decisions.

Fat little penguin...I reviewed the thread in question and I'm afraid that, this time, I disagree with you. I think that what would have worked better would be if you had PM'd the mods with your questions about links.

[_KimberlyAnn]

mok

Well, I did indeed receive a seven day suspension. In political terms, the lesson to this is never challenge the hand that wields unrighteous power. In human terms, it is probably wise to never call attention to their questionable decisions.

Fat little penguin...I reviewed the thread in question and I'm afraid that, this time, I disagree with you. I think that what would have worked better would be if you had PM'd the mods with your questions about links.

Do you remember the thread about the "Power of Ten" that was on this board earlier? Moksha may be a fat little penguin, but when I saw the title of that thread, the first thing I thought was, "The power of a ten! That's what's lurking behind Moksha's fig leaf...!" LOL! I didn't say it then because it's so naughty and might embarrass him, but maybe it will give him a chuckle now and it seems like he could use one.

Blushing,

KA

[_Pokatator]

Looks like a maple leaf to me.

[_KimberlyAnn]

Looks like a maple leaf to me.

Yeah, you're right, Pokatator, it does! I wonder if it turns red in the fall? I'll have to wait and see...

KA

[_asbestosman]

Looks like a maple leaf to me.

What if it's actually a part of the penguin's body? He could be a mutant or the product of genetic engineering you know.

[_why me]

This is an interesting thread from the MAD board which I think is very interesting about evidence. I like it. It sounds good to me.

http://www.mormonapologetics.org/index. ... opic=28256

The thread doesn't work cross boards but it is a good thread about the city of bountiful and other tidbits by Hashbaz.