liz3564 wrote:What makes no sense to me is that you can show up for Church in a denim jumper and no one will say a word. Show up in a nice Pendleton pant suit that might have put you back $500, and you may as well be wearing jeans.
Where's the logic?
;)
No logic. Just an undeniable statement of a woman's place.
Kissing me?
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
liz3564 wrote:What makes no sense to me is that you can show up for Church in a denim jumper and no one will say a word. Show up in a nice Pendleton pant suit that might have put you back $500, and you may as well be wearing jeans.
Where's the logic?
;)
No logic. Just an undeniable statement of a woman's place.
Kissing me?
Erm. No.
I may be going to hell in a bucket, babe / But at least I'm enjoying the ride.
-Grateful Dead (lyrics by John Perry Barlow)
No one can receive the vestments who has not first been cleansed, washed of all uncleanliness, all impurity, nor had been first ordained and received a priesthood. And except he has been reborn as a new man in Christ [in other words, he received baptism], he may not put on the linen vestments, which have nothing of death in them but are entirely the garment of life. As we see when the initiates come out of the baptism: the first thing we do to those that come out of the water, we clothe them round about, we cover them properly with truth, having washed away all their previous sins.
As Adam and Eve were clothed in special garments as they changed from one stage of existance to another, when we take upon the name of Christ and covenant to be a witness of his name we change our appearance as an outward sign of our inward conviction. We dress modestly and respectfully. As our covenants increase, so also do we more fully conform in the modesty of our dress.
From the Acts of Thomas: "To the wedding feast I have been invited, and I have put on white garments. May I be worthy of them. May I remember to keep my light bright that I may keep its oil...."
We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light. - Plato
Gazelam wrote:Jerome, the early Christian Apologist, wrote:
No one can receive the vestments who has not first been cleansed, washed of all uncleanliness, all impurity, nor had been first ordained and received a priesthood. And except he has been reborn as a new man in Christ [in other words, he received baptism], he may not put on the linen vestments, which have nothing of death in them but are entirely the garment of life. As we see when the initiates come out of the baptism: the first thing we do to those that come out of the water, we clothe them round about, we cover them properly with truth, having washed away all their previous sins.
As Adam and Eve were clothed in special garments as they changed from one stage of existance to another, when we take upon the name of Christ and covenant to be a witness of his name we change our appearance as an outward sign of our inward conviction. We dress modestly and respectfully. As our covenants increase, so also do we more fully conform in the modesty of our dress.
From the Acts of Thomas: "To the wedding feast I have been invited, and I have put on white garments. May I be worthy of them. May I remember to keep my light bright that I may keep its oil...."
Gaz...we're talking about what to wear to Church...not the temple.
Also...no one is suggesting that you go to Church looking sloppy. But I'll be honest. There are beautiful pant suits that are much more in line with keeping in a best dress frame of mind than a lot of the messy skirts and jumpers I see women at Church throw on.
I have a chronic condition with my knee. Wearing any type of a heel is near impossible for me, and nylons are extremely uncomfortable. But heaven forbid I wear a pant suit to Church.
Gazelam wrote:Jerome, the early Christian Apologist, wrote:
No one can receive the vestments who has not first been cleansed, washed of all uncleanliness, all impurity, nor had been first ordained and received a priesthood. And except he has been reborn as a new man in Christ [in other words, he received baptism], he may not put on the linen vestments, which have nothing of death in them but are entirely the garment of life. As we see when the initiates come out of the baptism: the first thing we do to those that come out of the water, we clothe them round about, we cover them properly with truth, having washed away all their previous sins.
As Adam and Eve were clothed in special garments as they changed from one stage of existance to another, when we take upon the name of Christ and covenant to be a witness of his name we change our appearance as an outward sign of our inward conviction. We dress modestly and respectfully. As our covenants increase, so also do we more fully conform in the modesty of our dress.
From the Acts of Thomas: "To the wedding feast I have been invited, and I have put on white garments. May I be worthy of them. May I remember to keep my light bright that I may keep its oil...."
What if the only outfit you have to your name is blue jeans with holes and a flannel shirt? What would your advice be to the person in that situation?
Here is another thought: Worshipfulness, reverence and holiness come from our thoughts and actions and not from our dress.
By taking the need for fancy dress out of the equation, the Quakers who were mentioned earlier, are allowing the emphasis to be placed on thoughts and actions and not the ephemeral.
liz3564 wrote:Also...no one is suggesting that you go to Church looking sloppy. But I'll be honest. There are beautiful pant suits that are much more in line with keeping in a best dress frame of mind than a lot of the messy skirts and jumpers I see women at Church throw on.
I have a chronic condition with my knee. Wearing any type of a heel is near impossible for me, and nylons are extremely uncomfortable. But heaven forbid I wear a pant suit to Church.
Then wear them anyway. Half of those looks are not of condemnation; they're probably jealousy.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
I used to be prophessional soldier for 39 years. That system has, can (and must) be Dress Standards.
If one church has Dress Standards, it has changed the track.
The apostasy has begun, when the Old Testament specified the jewels to wear by high priest ...
- Whenever a poet or preacher, chief or wizard spouts gibberish, the human race spends centuries deciphering the message. - Umberto Eco - To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
moksha wrote:I would like to put forth an idea that may be enlightening: Worshipfulness, reverence and holiness have nothing whatsoever to do with your manner of dress. Whether you are tuxedo-clad or sky-clad, it is all the same. Any clothing desires or hangups you may have comes strictly from you and does not represent any wish of God.
And I would like to put forth the idea that we show respect when we clean up, shower, wear clean clothes that are the best we have (whatever that is), use respectful language, and other respectful behaviors.
And we are commanded to be respectful to God. So I think it comes from Him.
I am ok with trying to look nice but the LDS Church leadership has gone over the top. I do not think Moshka proposes going to Church stinking. But this hang up on white shirts and ties, dark suits, no beard for temple workers, two freaking earrings and on and on is just ridiculous. Go read the gospels Charity. Telll me who in those narratives are hung up on the outward appearance. The man from God even the Son of God condemns looking more on the outward appearance then the inward. The LDS Church has become a bunch of pharisees in many ways.