Senator Biden is not intelligent. And Mormonism.

[_Some Schmo]

Yes, he's made many mistakes. No doubt about it.

I'd just like to take this opportunity to point out that no Obama supporters are coming on here in denial of that fact.

I'm betting you wish you could say the same of Palin supporters.

;)

[_LifeOnaPlate]

On Presidential-ness:

Obama > McCain > Biden >Romney>>>>> Palin

I'm just glad the debate isn't on unti 9pm eastern so I'll get to watch an hour of Survivor first.

Palin doesn't belong on the list there in my opinion.


* wait, I take it back. I was looking into some of Palin's past gaffes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0OZ9W2K_z0


Seriously, though, Biden has said some really stupid things. No doubt about it.

[Guest]

Biden has a troubling history of dishonesty:

Biden Admits Plagiarism in School But Says It Was Not 'Malevolent'

By E. J. DIONNE JR., SPECIAL TO THE NEW YORK TIMES
Published: September 18, 1987

Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr., fighting to salvage his Presidential campaign, today acknowledged ''a mistake'' in his youth, when he plagiarized a law review article for a paper he wrote in his first year at law school.

Mr. Biden insisted, however, that he had done nothing ''malevolent,'' that he had simply misunderstood the need to cite sources carefully. And he asserted that another controversy, concerning recent reports of his using material from others' speeches without attribution, was ''much ado about nothing.''

Combine this with the plagiarism of the Kinnock's speech, and wow... Would Governore Palin be allowed to survive something like this? Probably not...




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[_antishock8]

Well, at least he's humble, right?

On Slate Mickey Kaus cites that as another of Biden’s “cringe-making, unhinged spontaneous reactions,” akin to a 1987 incident in New Hampshire when the Senator unfeelingly answered a question about his credentials by saying, "I think I probably have a much higher IQ than you do."

Oh my god. Could you imagine Sarah Palin saying something like that? A tsunami of outrage would be sure to follow...

[_LifeOnaPlate]

Biden has a troubling history of dishonesty:

Biden Admits Plagiarism in School But Says It Was Not 'Malevolent'

By E. J. DIONNE JR., SPECIAL TO THE NEW YORK TIMES
Published: September 18, 1987

Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr., fighting to salvage his Presidential campaign, today acknowledged ''a mistake'' in his youth, when he plagiarized a law review article for a paper he wrote in his first year at law school.

Mr. Biden insisted, however, that he had done nothing ''malevolent,'' that he had simply misunderstood the need to cite sources carefully. And he asserted that another controversy, concerning recent reports of his using material from others' speeches without attribution, was ''much ado about nothing.''

Combine this with the plagiarism of the Kinnock's speech, and wow... Would Governore Palin be allowed to survive something like this? Probably not...

You buy into that Kinnock thing?

[_Trevor]

A tsunami of outrage would be sure to follow...

More likely a tsunami of laughter.

[_antishock8]

You buy into that Kinnock thing?

Sure, since he's established his sheer penchant for lying and self-aggrandizement.

From wiki:

In 1987, Biden ran as a Democratic presidential candidate, formally declaring his candidacy at the Wilmington train station on June 9, 1987.[73] When the campaign began, Biden was considered a potentially strong candidate because of his moderate image, his speaking ability on the stump, his appeal to Baby Boomers, his high profile position as chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee at the upcoming Robert Bork Supreme Court nomination hearings, and his fundraising appeal—$1.7 million raised in the first quarter of 1987 was more than any other candidate.[74][75] Biden received considerable attention in the summer of 1986 when he excoriated Secretary of State George Shultz at a Senate hearing because of the Reagan administration's support of South Africa, which continued to support a system of apartheid.[76]

By August 1987, Biden's campaign, whose messaging was confused due to staff rivalries,[77] had begun to lag behind those of Michael Dukakis and Richard Gephardt,[74] although he had still raised more funds than all candidates but Dukakis, and was seeing an upturn in Iowa polls.[78][75] In September 1987, the campaign ran into trouble when he was accused of plagiarizing a speech by Neil Kinnock, then-leader of the British Labour Party.[79] Kinnock’s speech included the lines:

"Why am I the first Kinnock in a thousand generations to be able to get to university? [Then pointing to his wife in the audience] Why is Glenys the first woman in her family in a thousand generations to be able to get to university? Was it because all our predecessors were thick?"

While Biden’s speech included the lines:

"I started thinking as I was coming over here, why is it that Joe Biden is the first in his family ever to go to a university? [Then pointing to his wife in the audience] Why is it that my wife who is sitting out there in the audience is the first in her family to ever go to college? Is it because our fathers and mothers were not bright? Is it because I'm the first Biden in a thousand generations to get a college and a graduate degree that I was smarter than the rest?"

Though Biden had cited Kinnock as the source for the formulation many times before, he made no reference to the original source at the August 23 Iowa State Fair debate in question or in another appearance.[80][81] While political speeches often appropriate ideas and language from each other, Biden's use came under more scrutiny because he somewhat distorted his own family's background in order to match Kinnock's.[38][81]

A few days later, Biden's plagiarism incident in law school came to light.[13] It was also revealed that when earlier questioned by a New Hampshire resident about his grades in law school, Biden had inaccurately recollected graduating in the "top half" of his class when he actually graduated 76th from 85, that he had attended law school on a full scholarship, and had received three degrees in college.[82] In fact, he had earned a single B.A. with a double major in history and political science, and had received a half scholarship to law school based on financial need with some additional assistance based in part upon academics.[82] Biden also released his unexceptional undergraduate grades.[13]

The Kinnock and school revelations were magnified by the limited amount of other news about the nomination race at the time,[83] when most of the public were not yet paying attention to any of the campaigns; Biden thus fell into what Washington Post writer Paul Taylor described as that year's trend, a "trial by media ordeal".[84] Biden lacked a strong demographic or political group of support to help him survive the crisis.[78][85] He withdrew from the nomination race on September 23, 1987, saying his candidacy had been overrun by "the exaggerated shadow" of his past mistakes.[86] After Biden withdrew from the race, it was revealed that the Dukakis campaign had secretly made a video showcasing the Biden–Kinnock comparison and distributed it to news outlets.[87]

[_antishock8]

A tsunami of outrage would be sure to follow...

More likely a tsunami of laughter.

Yes, I'm sure all the correspondents and staffers at MSNBC and CNN would laugh and hug each other as it looped over and over again. :D

[Guest]

McCain and Palin openly disagree on certain issues, but she has not gone against him on something he has campaigned on.

Schmo and LoaP's silly "example" doesn't cut the mustard. McCain isn't campaigning on "not" invading Pakistan, and during the debate with Obama, he made it perfectly clear that you don't "say that out loud" and that if that's what you have to do then you don't tip off the enemy by telling the world beforehand. Democrats are quick to make Palin look like an Obama supporter but they fail to note this also makes Obama a Bush supporter. Didn't bush just initiate attacks into Pakistan? McCain is against it, Obama for it. What was all that talk about being like the war mongerer George Bush?

There is a huge difference between Palin and McCain disagreeing on whether or not we should invade Pakistan based on "intelligence" on Osama's whereabouts, and Biden barking dogmatically against something that is a key issue in Obama's energy plan. Palin said her opinion on what we should do, Biden stated emphatically what their administration wouldn't do.

[_dartagnan]

We have already established the fact that Biden is an outright liar. Even by Trevor's slippery standards, Biden lies when it suits his purposes.

So what do we do about it?

Vote Obama! I mean, didn't he at least go to Harvard or something? And wouldn't it make me a racist if I didn't? The liberal rationale is truly mind-boggling.

Biden's stupid comments are only "gaffes" whereas Palin's so-called screw ups, as determined by liberal psychoanalyses, are somehow damning evidence that she could never make a good VP.

It has surely been a sight to see... the libs here tripping over their own twisted logic, trying to crucify Palin for every little misdemeanor they imagine exists, while at the same time, rationalizing an excuse for Biden's numerous felonies that the media is at pains to mention.