Round Two: Presidential Debate

[_Who Knows]

For sure most of them are voting for Obama simply because he's black.

I don't get Mormons saying something like this. The same ones who get offended when no-mo's say the only reason they were voting for romney was because he was Mormon.

[_Some Schmo]

For sure most of them are voting for Obama simply because he's black.

I don't get Mormons saying something like this. The same ones who get offended when no-mo's say the only reason they were voting for romney was because he was Mormon.

Saying things like that shows a level of stupidity that's hard to imagine. There's likely a certain small percentage of people who are voting for someone who represents their own demographic, but to make a blanket statement like that just shows the person making the statement for the unthinking bigot they are.

[_EAllusion]

All together I think I managed to count 4-5 black persons in that crowd of 80+.

These were undecided.

What does that tell us? That most black voters are not undecided. They are already in the tank for Obama.

Hell of an argument there. You're a professional statistician, eh?

As it turns out, blacks have similar undecided rates to the general population. However, there's been a lot of research to suggest that a lot of people who say they are undecided really aren't. PEC discussed on such example recently. Oh, they might think they are undecided, but really many have already have some preference and are just waiting on the suite of reasons that they ultimately will say is why they picked who they did. Almost all those undecided blacks are going to swing to Obama.

Instead of watching the debate, I went and saw David Sedaris yesterday. One of his essays, given because of the election, was an attack on people who say they are undecided. How can you be undecided at this point? I concur. It's one of my pet peeves.

[Anonymous]

Why is Obama able to get away with such lies? Because he knows the American people are ghenerally uneducated. At least the voters in his camp are. He's banking on their unwillingness to check the facts. And speaking of facts, why isn't fact checker checking Obama's repeated claim that the crisis is due to these mysterious "economic policies" implemented by Bush and supported by McCain....

What an idiot. But he knows most Americans are ignorant and are too lazy to look this stuff up. This is why he will be our next President.

Here is a link by one of these ignorant, lazy, and Communistic Obama backers talking about the stupid, broke, politically correct pussies who are supporting his guy.

Jim Cramer in New York magazine

What will New York look like a year from now? The answer: bad and probably worse, and perhaps downright catastrophic. Three degrees of awful. The first step was passing the bank-bailout legislation. Now that it’s done—and if it didn’t get done we would have been looking at a guaranteed economic collapse—the critical issue will be presidential leadership. And while any president will be an improvement over the current one, there is a growing belief on Wall Street that Barack Obama has the capacity to lead us out of this wilderness while John McCain does not. I’ll go a step further: Obama is a recession. McCain is a depression...

[_Dr. Shades]

For sure most of them are voting for Obama simply because he's black.

I don't get Mormons saying something like this. The same ones who get offended when no-mo's say the only reason they were voting for romney was because he was Mormon.

Mormons get offended when non-Mormons say that? I thought Mormons proudly admitted it.

[Reflexzero]

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[Obama] knows the American people are ghenerally uneducated. At least the voters in his camp are. [...]

I assume you have data to back this up? The last study/poll that I'm aware of about education level and support was done when Clinton was still in the race. Voters with a higher education level supported Obama over Clinton (with support rising as education went up [53% Obama at "some college" level; 59% at "college grad" level; 64% at "post grad" level]). Do you have something showing higher education levels trending towards McCain support?

Unless you are aware of a more recent study which I am unaware of (which, I assume you are as I've not known you to make careless statements), I see this akin to taking the McCain supporters who have said Obama was "a terrorist" (with no correction nor condemnation from McCain or Palin) coupled with the racial epithet and proclamation of “sit down, boy” to a black sound man at another event (as well as the chants of “Kill Him!” [directed at Obama]) to mean that McCain supporters are all uneducated backwoods "git-er-done" xenophobes…

Constantly nurturing an “us vs. them” mentality might make for warm and fuzzy feelings within oneself, but it often does nothing more than make others see a daft prick.

[_Who Knows]

Mormons get offended when non-Mormons say that? I thought Mormons proudly admitted it.

Not in my experience. Try it. Say to a Mormon - "the reason you voted for romney {in the primaries} was because he was Mormon." 10-1 odds you'll get a response like "that's not true - i don't care if he's Mormon. i voted for him because he's the best candidate." I seriously doubt you'll get them to say "yep, you're right - i voted for him because he's Mormon".

[_Analytics]

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[Obama] knows the American people are ghenerally uneducated. At least the voters in his camp are. [...]

I assume you have data to back this up?

Yea. Riiiight.

Obama Leads In Latest N.H. Poll

BOSTON (WBZ) ― With less than a month until Election Day, Sen. Barack Obama has taken a double-digit lead over Sen. John McCain in the battleground state of New Hampshire.

According to Survey USA, Obama now leads McCain by 13 points, 53-percent to 40-percent, in a poll of 647 likely New Hampshire voters. The margin of error is 3.9-percent.

Researchers found that the race is close among men, voters age 35 to 49, those who have not graduated from college and regular church goers.

McCain leads among gun owners and pro-life voters.

But Obama is boosted by his 22-point advantage among women, 29-point advantage among young voters, 21-point advantage among moderates, 18-point advantage among those who consider themselves an intellectual, 24-point advantage among lower-income voters, and 23-point advantage among college graduates.
No Democrat running for president has received more than 50-percent of the vote in New Hampshire in the past 44 years.

[_EAllusion]

The election is less than a month away. Just wait to the post election data comes out Analytics. If Kevin doesn't want to read the internals right now, you can show him the data in black and white later. I tried to explain this in a different thread, but he'll go on making his ignorant assertions until the day arrives I think. What's sad is that when the data reveals a situation similar to the Obama/Clinton divides in terms of education, Kevin is going to have to not only explain why he was wrong, he's going to have to explain why his attacks on candidates who appeal to low education voters is itself wrong.

[_Analytics]

The election is less than a month away. Just wait to the post election data comes out Analytics. If Kevin doesn't want to read the internals right now, you can show him the data in black and white later. I tried to explain this in a different thread, but he'll go on making his ignorant assertions until the day arrives I think. What's sad is that when the data reveals a situation similar to the Obama/Clinton divides in terms of education, Kevin is going to have to not only explain why he was wrong, he's going to have to explain why his attacks on candidates who appeal to low education voters is itself wrong.

You think he'll find that hard? He'll maintain that uneducated stupid people voted for Obama and that educated smart people voted for McCain.

When exist polls will show that the only groups that clearly favor McCain are rednecks and Jesus freaks, he'll say the exit polls are inaccurate, if not flat-out lies.