God Bless Barack Obama - Sarah Palin

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Absolutely. ISNA wants to implement Shari'ah in North America. Shari'ah is bigotry manifested; a system of law that is misogynistic, intolerant, and ultimately violent toward believers and non-believers alike. This is a fact. It's indisputable. And the fact that B.O. is meeting with these people is akin to any politician cavorting with White Supremacists ... Probably less problematic, though.

I'm not really sure what part Shari'ah that doesn't f*****g ring a Leftist's/Progresseive's/Feminist's/Homosexual's/Non-Muslim's alarm, but the idea that any Western politician is meeting with, and making political alliances with the Arabic version of Nazis on steroids is stunning. This is no joke. This isn't alarmism. This is reality. It boggles the mind.


Do a google for James Aitken a.k.a. John the Painter and Sons of Liberty. Or American revolutionary war terrorists/terrorism. Those that we disagree with culturally and value wise are no less human. Do you actually believe that Shari'ah will ever be implemented in America? That sounds alarmist, to me.


Well, it was just approved in the UK. How many canaries in the coal mine have to die before you understand the methodology and subsequent threat? The incremental Islamization of host countries start with immigration, the formation of ummahs, the claim of vicitimization, the granting of self-rule, then breakaway republics, and finally through the judicious use of jihad the conversion to the Islamic state under which shariah is forced on everyone. This is textbook standard operating procedure for the Islamic ummah.

Do I think this will happen quickly in the US? No. Of course not. But it will happen slowly. It will happen incrementally. This is a millenial struggle that happens slowly. Shariah financing introduces shariah law. Lawfare is being waged on behalf of Muslims to usurp our right to criticize them or their religion, introduce Islamic practices that effectively marginalizes non-Muslims, women, and homosexuals, etc. Endless complaints of victimization while refusing to address their own actions of violence and bigotry (because it's lawful and mandated to subdue the kaafir through taqiyya). Saudi Arabian grants to universities come with strings attached; it gives them the exclusive right, in many cases, to hand pick the Islamic studies professors who then present Islam with the Wahabbist/Salafist ideology, and by default become the head of the Muslim student association.

Anyway. It goes on and on. What I can't fathom is we have an ideology that is openly hostile to democracy, that is openly seditious within mosques and the ummah here in the US, openly advocates the subjugation of women, homosexuals, and the non-believers... And you guys yawn. It's as if you view them as something quaint. They're much more organized, extremely well-financed, and to-the-core dedicated than you're apparently understanding... And they're not going to stop. They're mandated to wage jihad, on every level, forever. It's just the way it is.

Why we as a open society would tolerate their abject and unwavering intolerance is beyond me. While homosexuals are bitching about not being viewed as equals by Conservatives here, they're being murdered in droves in across the Islamic bloc. I just don't understand the complacency by the very people that vigorously champions the cause of freedom and equality when it comes to Christian bigotry. At least Christians tolerate you. Islamists will not. Ever. You all are barking up the wrong tree.
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antishock8 wrote:Well, it was just approved in the UK.


??? Everyone in the U.K. must observe Sha'ria law now?
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Ah. No. Jesus. They're allowing ummahs to have Shari'ah courts in the UK. This is complete, and utter BS. People, choosing to live in the UK, now have the "choice" to live under barbaric and antiquated Islamic law. It's crazy.

If you know much about Shari'ah, then you know that it's a patriarchal system to the n'th degree. It's incredibly anti-woman, anti-minority, anti-anything that isn't an Muslim male. It's astoundingly barbaric.
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Hi, antishock. I won't be replying to any of your replies. I apologize for bowing out of the conversation especially because I find it very stimulating, yet, I need to bow out.

I understand their values are completely opposite are own and are even a threat to our values. I understand that and do not disagree with you to the threat they are to what we hold in esteem.

So that you can understand where I'm coming from I'm going to tell you about a movie I watched the other night. It was a documentary called "Snuff"

http://www.filmthreat.com/index.php?sec ... s&Id=10945

I found the documentary fairly fascinating although I thought some of the interviews were a bit spastic. There were many disturbing things to think about when I witnessed that documentary, yet, something that really alarmed me was the combat footage. There were images from our current Iraq War and I saw American soldiers (babies they are babies, to me!) laughing and giddy as they shot down our enemies. I saw American soldiers cowering in fear and calling out for help. Then, I saw our American soldiers one by one being shot by snipers from the vantage point of our enemies. I was viewing our enemies images and how they carefully zoomed in on one soldier at a time and shot him dead. One fellow American was sitting on top of the tank and I believe he was eating. He looked so nonchalant and every so often took a bite and then would look about. He didn't seem on guard and seemed rather relaxed. I knew what was coming. I was seeing his approaching death through the enemies eyes. I flinched and looked away as the moment came. I couldn't watch.

The man that shot our American soldier has a history and a life, a family a way of life. I didn't feel angry. I wondered what culture and what past created this? Where have we come from to create such conflict where we can't see humans anymore rather than collateral damage and body counts?

There are threats to our culture. I don't deny that. I do believe our way of life is worth maintaining and even to kill for, yet, we must understand that just as our young men that barely understand the conflict are sent to kill, that the other humans on the battlefield have their motives and their pasts that compel them to kill us.

Should we not talk? Should we not seek commonalities? Should we not seek peace? Is there no peace to be had other than to kill and obliterate our enemy? Is it a perceived weakness to see humanity? Of course it may be viewed that way, yet, is it?

I don't know the best course of action. I do know this. We're all human beings and our cultures create us. None of us are monsters.
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Moniker wrote:I apologize for bowing out of the conversation especially because I find it very stimulating, yet, I need to bow out.


Why?
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I would still be interested seeing that tape the LA Times refuses to release. According an LA Times article written by Peter Wallsten in April, Obama was a "friend and frequent dinner companion" of Rashid Khalidi, who from 1976 to1982 was reportedly a director of the official Palestinian press agency, WAFA, which was operating in exile from Beirut with the PLO. Khalidi is currently the Edward Said professor of Arab Studies at Columbia. He's a pro-Palestinian activist, he has been a fierce critic of American foreign policy and of Israel. Well. Of course. Nothing the infidel does short of taking a dhimmi status within an Islamic caliphate, or granting Muslims their own autonomous government, which will then continue the jihad against infidels, is acceptable. Nothing. Ever. It's a mandate as old as Islam itself. Arabs have more rights in Israel than they do under HAMAS in the Gaza Strip.

Anyway. Bow out if you wish; you can equivocate all you want and it doesn't change the historical fact that Islam is in direct opposition to anyone who doesn't want to submit to the "House of Peace". Obama mingles with these people. He has dinner with them. He meets with them. He gives their political ideology serious consideration. And THAT, is a shame and a crime against Democracy, equal rights, and humanity.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la ... full.story
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And in a timely post, Robert Spencer talks about the doctrine of taqiyya:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/023454.php#more

This is why it's hard to "negotiate" and "talk to" people who use the art of deception as a political tool to advance their aims. In other words, nothing they say can ever be trusted because it can be rescinded at any time under the auspice of taqiyya. That's why Palestinians feel at liberty to fire rockets into Israel the very day they sign a peace treaty, or why Iraqi Sunnis can use surrogates to kill Americans after an accord has been reached.

http://www.strategycenter.net/include/d ... &docType=0

I recommend very strongly that anyone who is interested in Quranic warfare take the time to read Stephen Coughlin's master thesis:

“To Our Great Detriment”: Ignoring What Extremists Say About Jihad

The only thing I would quibble over is the use of "extremists" when attempting to understand Islam and Muslims. There isn't "extreme" Islam nor is there "moderate" Islam. It is simply what it is: Islam. We're projecting our own aims onto that system, which is counterproductive to understanding it, and dealing with it in a realistic manner.
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My question for antishock and Richard is - do you believe Barack Obama is a terrorist who has snuck into the presidency so he can overthrow the government? Or do you think he is working for terrorists who plan to overthrow the government once he takes the reigns?

I'm curious as to what you think this terrorist connection really means beyond you not liking him.
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GoodK wrote:My question for antishock and Richard is - do you believe Barack Obama is a terrorist who has snuck into the presidency so he can overthrow the government? Or do you think he is working for terrorists who plan to overthrow the government once he takes the reigns?

I'm curious as to what you think this terrorist connection really means beyond you not liking him.


No, I don't think he's a terrorist. How can you read what I've posted, and ask such a crappy question? I mean what I've said, and I've said what I mean. It's right there. The implications of meeting Muslims in the context of their right to wage jihad and exert Shari'ah is akin to meeting with any extremist who hates Jews, homosexuals, is anti-equality, anti-woman, uber-creationist, etc...

That being said, I'm no whacked out Conservative. There are already rumblings going around Conservative circles about an Obama dictatorship, and it's no surprise that it's coming from Christian fundies. I suspect the Right is going to do what the Left did during the Bush years, and what it itself did during the Clinton years, and do what the Left did during the Reagan years, etc ad nauseum. In other words, they're going to go damned crazy.

Conspiracy theories are for retarded people. But I am a fan of Western Civilization and the long-term viability of our nation as a state, and the core human values that WE value:

Freedom of speech, freedom to gather, commerce, equality, etc... You know... A little thing known as the Constitution and Democracy as we practice it.

So any threat to that by a system that is designed to overtly oppress anyone not belonging to it, whether it's Islam, Communism, Fascism... It doesn't matter, it needs to be vigrously resisted and in some cases actively defeated. They're all extremes of a misguided notion that utopia can be achieved if only everyone were like them. That's a dangerous mindset that lends itself to the historical fact of mass murder, oppression, and the regression of the human spirit.

Does Obama help himself with using government money to fund an organization like ACORN which registers people who will sustain his party in power? No. That's a terrible abuse of government money, and a clear signal that Leftists have no problem using the machinery of government to stay in power. However, for every abuse I can list by the Left that is cause for concern, I can list massive abuses by the Right (hence the reason I voted line-Democrat for 8 years before this election).

Anyway, if you're so inclined, re-read my posts from the context of this post. Now that I've answered your silly question, you want to answer mine? Do you think Obama is The One who will bring peace and stability to the world because he's going to usher in a new era of mutual understanding and cooperation across the world?
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