GoodK vs CHP

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_Angus McAwesome
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Re: GoodK vs CHP

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Dr. Shades wrote:
Angus McAwesome wrote:In fact, you're pretty lucky that the officer got called off for something more important, or else you may have had to spend a few hours in a cell.

For what reason?


As per the California Department of Motor Vehicles website...

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Compliance with Peace Officer Orders

2800. (a) It is unlawful to willfully fail or refuse to comply with a lawful order, signal, or direction of a peace officer, as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2 of the Penal Code, when that peace officer is in uniform and is performing duties pursuant to any of the provisions of this code, or to refuse to submit to a lawful inspection pursuant to this code.


The officer ordered him to put the cell phone away for the duration of the stop. By not complying, even to ply with his video game, GoodK broke the law by failing to obey a lawful order given to him by a peace officer.

As I said, he's lucky the cop had to leave because depending on how big of a pain in the ass GoodK decided to be to him, the cop would have been perfectly with in his rights to arrest GoodK and let him cool his heals for a few hours in a jail cell.
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Re: GoodK vs CHP

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If I get stopped by the Highway patrol, I want these guys:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Vpe98B-IAM

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Re: GoodK vs CHP

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Angus McAwesome wrote:
2800. (a) It is unlawful to willfully fail or refuse to comply with a lawful order, signal, or direction of a peace officer, . . . [SNIP!]


The officer ordered him to put the cell phone away for the duration of the stop. By not complying, even to ply with his video game, GoodK broke the law by failing to obey a lawful order given to him by a peace officer.

That's the key word: "Lawful order." GoodK had every right to use his cell phone during the search, so the cop telling him to put it away was not a lawful order. GoodK would've been within his rights to question why the order was lawful.

Of course, whether or not he wished to piss the cop off further is questionable, since it sounds like the guy was really "badge-heavy" anyway.

That's a sad reality of life in these United States: Even if one is well within one's rights, the cops can make life miserable for one, causing one to weigh whether an assertion of one's rights is "worth it." Very sad, and not what the Founding Fathers had in mind.
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Re: GoodK vs CHP

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I had a similar experience with my local doughnut patrol.

I made a legal but abrupt uturn at a left turn lane into a parking lot.

He was driving the opposite direction and saw me and quickly flipped on the cherries.

"Why did you make that uturn when you could have just turned left into the parking lot", he asked.

"Was it against any laws?", I asked.

"uhh well, it was the way you did it.. and it appears your left front signal is not working..", he said as he asked for the license/reg/insurance .

I did not have my license on me at the time SIMPLY because I FORGOT IT. I lived a block from there and explained that to the prick.

He made me get out of my truck and sit on the curb with my hands behind my back while he looked through my vehicle. Halfway through his schtick I asked politely as I could, "SIR I am a member of this area's community, it is rather embarassing for me to be seen in this position. MAY I PLEASE GET UP?"

NO! he barked from inside my truck.

He then wrote me a fixit ticket wherein I was required to show proof of possession of a license and fixed front left signal light to a the cop at the courthouse.

God I hate traffic cops.

Sometimes I do things just like that when I see a cop just so I can waste the asshole's time --but only if I am sure I have my license in my pocket. No takers so far.
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Re: GoodK vs CHP

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Dr. Shades wrote:That's the key word: "Lawful order." GoodK had every right to use his cell phone during the search, so the cop telling him to put it away was not a lawful order. GoodK would've been within his rights to question why the order was lawful.


I love how you focused on one part of that law to the exclusion of all else, Shades. Read the whole statute and as a matter of fact, yes, that officer can tell you to put your cell phone away. You can ask why you need to, you can ask whatever you want, as long as you comply. By not complying GoodK broke the law and is lucky the officer had to leave.


Dr. Shades wrote:Of course, whether or not he wished to piss the cop off further is questionable, since it sounds like the guy was really "badge-heavy" anyway.


Yeah, we can tell that this cop was obviously a badge heavy power tripping fascist simply from GoodK's biased narrative. Nope, totally couldn't be that there's something GoodK isn't mentioning, and it couldn't have been because GoodK was being a smartass to the cop, driving without license plates in a car with a tinted front windshield (which depending on the level of tinting could have been illegal in itself), and going out of his way to make a simple traffic stop more work then it should have been the cop was obviously at fault... :rolleyes:


Dr. Shades wrote:That's a sad reality of life in these United States: Even if one is well within one's rights, the cops can make life miserable for one, causing one to weigh whether an assertion of one's rights is "worth it." Very sad, and not what the Founding Fathers had in mind.


Because we should all go around "asserting" our rights for no damned reason at all. GoodK says he had no contraband in his vehicle and other then the missing plates had nothing to worry about for the stop. So other then being an asshole about it, what point is served by "asserting" your rights? And of course it's just the cops who can make your life miserable, and it cannot at all be the other way around.

Point of fact, Law Enforcement is given such leeway because they need such flexibility in order to do their jobs. Sometimes they have to give orders to citizens out of a concern for public safety (and I can make a good argument that having your cellphone out playing videogames on the side of a busy interstate is a safety hazard). But if everyone goes around asserting their rights, eventually some jackass will do this in a situation where their safety and the safety of those around them, the officer included, relies on them shutting the hell up and doing as they are told.
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