As man is, God once was. As God is, man may become.

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why me wrote:Hi dad, you can also read this link:

http://en.fairmormon.org/Mormonism_and_ ... _Discourse

I think that the explanation is pretty good. What do you think?


I have read it. I'm interested in your answer to the question. Do Mormons believe that God was once a man?
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why me wrote:The answer is correct; we do not teach in our classes today that God was a man just like us.

But the question wasn't asked "today". I remember at the time of the Time article, no less than three weeks prior in my Elder's Quorum and Gospel Doctrine classes there was great discussion and teaching of "As man is, God once was..." In fact, I was taught that principle in church nearly my entire life.

I would think a more alarming question would be "Why isn't this taught "today" as it was in the past?" Has the Mormon God changed....again??
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Dad of a Mormon wrote:
I have read it. I'm interested in your answer to the question. Do Mormons believe that God was once a man?


I remember a discussion about his over on mormondialogue

http://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/528 ... nce-a-man/

My own answer: Yes, I think so. If we are daughters and sons of heavenly parents, I would assume that god was like us. But I think that you will get a lot of opinions on this matter from Mormons. But you can read the dialogue on the other forum linked above. But please remember that a forum is a just a forum...and nothing more. :=)

I confused the larry king interview with the Time interview.
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Question: "Is this the teaching of the church today, that God the Father was once a man like we are?"

Hinckley: "I don't know that we teach it. I don't know that we emphasize it. I haven't heard it discussed for a long time in public discourse. I don't know. I don't know all the circumstances under which that statement was made. I understand the philosophical background behind it. But I don't know a lot about it and I don't know that others know a lot about it."


Was or was not this man pre-ordained in the temple to become a god as millions of other Mormons have been, the same I was at one time?

He is a liar to say, "I don't know that we teach it", when it is practiced in the temple everyday.

He is a liar to say, "I don't know that we emphasize it", when it is required to go through the temple, why? to become a god or goddess.

He is a liar to say, "I don't know a lot about it and I don't know that others know a lot about it", when was the last time he was to the temple?

What a buffoon!
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Tator wrote:
Was or was not this man pre-ordained in the temple to become a god as millions of other Mormons have been, the same I was at one time?

He is a liar to say, "I don't know that we teach it", when it is practiced in the temple everyday.

He is a liar to say, "I don't know that we emphasize it", when it is required to go through the temple, why? to become a god or goddess.

He is a liar to say, "I don't know a lot about it and I don't know that others know a lot about it", when was the last time he was to the temple?

What a buffoon!


Did you read the links I provided? Maybe not...
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why me wrote:
My own answer: Yes, I think so. If we are daughters and sons of heavenly parents, I would assume that god was like us. But I think that you will get a lot of opinions on this matter from Mormons. But you can read the dialogue on the other forum linked above. But please remember that a forum is a just a forum...and nothing more. :=)


So how does FAIR finesse the following:

"Don't Mormons believe that God was once a man?"

"I wouldn't say that. There was a little couplet coined, 'As man is, God once was. As God is, man may become.' Now that's more of a couplet than anything else. That gets into some pretty deep theology that we don't know very much about." - Gordon B. Hinckley, San Francisco Chronicle, April 13, 1997, p 3/Z1
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Hey, Dad, I think you're getting the idea: you will not get a straight answer to this, ever
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why me wrote:Did you read the links I provided? Maybe not...


Yep, I did, lipstick on a pig.
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Tator wrote:
why me wrote:Did you read the links I provided? Maybe not...


Yep, I did, lipstick on a pig.


Lipstick on a tator? Listen tatorhead, I think that fair made a good point. But tators like you just can't seem to get it. Or don't want to get it. But that is okay. I still like tators from Idaho. :=)
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why me wrote:
Lipstick on a tator? Listen tatorhead, I think that fair made a good point. But tators like you just can't seem to get it. Or don't want to get it. But that is okay. I still like tators from Idaho. :=)


FAIR's "point", if you can call it that, is that if you parse words, Mormons don't "teach" that God was a man anymore, at least not publicly, but that doesn't mean that GBH and Mormons don't believe it. (Most of the ex-Mormons here say that it WAS and some say IS taught.) So I pointed out to you that in another place, GBH even denied that Mormons believe it, a clear lie even by the very restrictive standards that you and FAIR are promoting.

So, do you agree with FAIR that GBH, who presumably is a Mormon, believes it as well as other Mormons and therefore his denial that Mormons believe that God was a man is a lie?
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