RIPLAH, RIPLIANCUM, town MANTI, SIDON River, Teancum,"Neck"

[_ELYSAB]

ELYSAB are "ubiquitous" humans. I could locate them in Japan (since before Christ...), in China, in India, in Pakistan, in Afganistan, in Iran, in Iraq, in Turkey, in Greece, in Russia, in Polland, in Ireland, in Ingland, in Israel (even the Biblical one), in Americas, etc. They are ubiquitous.

ELY = ELI = ELLI = ELLO..."My God" Sab = SABaoth = The Lord Commandant of Heavenly Army = Jehovah God.

Name can be written reading from right to left, as in Nephitic language: SAB ELI = SABELI = SABERI = SABER = SABERIAH = SABELIEV = SABELA = SABELLA =
ISABELA = ISABEL = --> from Book of Mormon, linked to ELYSAB = SABELI people. ISABEL = I=male (gender)=man=my God SAB=Jeovah El = God ... You read from right to left (IT IS NEPHITIC):
God Jeovah (is) Man. ALMA 39:3--> a Harlot
ELISABETH = ELISAB = SABELI ... as you can see it is easy to find somebody hiddenly dressing an ELYSAB root. Even in Book of Mormon. Even SABAL, in the flag of Florida, is quite originated or derivated from ELYSAB or SABEL = SABALah (ALA = ELI, ALLAh = ELLih).



The symbol of SABELLI = SABELLA is the Menorah with 9 lamps (branches), since Joel 3:6 and with the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem, after Christ, Jews of Judaism "borrowed" from the GREEK ISRAELITES (10 TRIBES, JOEL 3:6, to whom Apost. Paul went to preach), the Sabelli=Savelli's SABELLA menorah of 9 branch, and now it is used in Jewish festival HANUKKAH to celebrate the new calendar CHANUKAH (thus symbolism is made with "distorted menorah SABELLI, Sabella"). It appears the use of Menorah of 9 (nine) branches from the SABELLI, instead of the standard 7 branches (from Moses), took place after the destruction of the Temple and its order of priesthood. But these are quite speculative informations. The SABELLIs = ROMANS destroyed the temple and removed the Menorah to Rome.



The PALM TREE you see at the right of the Indian woman is the SABAL, a palmtree. It is spread under a vast area, coastal area, going to Central America (MesoAmerica), with people of other cultures and languages, but Indian name SABAL is the same... why?

American Heritage Dictionary: u·biq·ui·tous
Being or seeming to be everywhere at the same time; omnipresent: "plodded through the shadows fruitlessly like an ubiquitous spook" (Joseph Heller).

ubiquitously u·biq'ui·tous·ly adv.
ubiquitousness u·biq'ui·tous·ness n

Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/ubiquitous#ixzz1XUCcWq5G

[_ELYSAB]

Copied from the post on ZARAHEMLA


We already investigated the land of MANTI and nearby/around it. We could see how closely linked MANTI was to ZARAHEMLA, quite like being a natural extension because of the close geographic proximity and easy of military attacks from Zarahemla. We are to examine some features of MANTI while linking to Zarahemla and to the Jaredites.

MANTI was a place ultra-important in the military strategy and economic trade place for Nephitic empire, because of its ultra-strategic position. Quite like that of Constantinople in the link between Europe and Asia. It is very evident that all trade from Zarahemla and from Nephites harbor to "head of Sidon River" (which is nowadays Chicago town, also the harbor for trade toward the Gulf of Mexico through Illinois River = West Sidon River branch) had to be controlled through the military town of MANTI.

Get into the Google Map:
http://maps.google.com/

In the box "maps", type in: Lake Tacoma, Detroit, MI, United States

Press enter and you will see the Sidon River (Detroit River) flowing from EAST to WEST (your horizontal direction), as stated in the Book of Mormon, for NEARBY MANTI town. What is valid is the MAIN FLOW, the one used to stablish (set) the boundaries between the USA and CANADA. That is the "LEGAL" flow. The others are not considered. In any way the general flow direction of SIDON RIVER while passing through the region of MANTI TOWN is from EAST(ern) direction to the WEST(ern) direction, toward the SEA (WEST SEA) = Lake Erie.

In the left side, there is a "vertical bar" for the control of elevation. At the down part of the bar, there is a square with the minus signal (-) into it. Press it 1 times. See the result the pathway of Sidon River through the MANTI town and region (metropolitan area of Detroit). Repeat again for more 4 times. You can see that the GENERAL FLOW PATHWAY through MANTI TOWN and NEARBY IT is reasonably in the horizontal direction, thus from EAST to WEST DIRECTION.

Press again the "minus" and already you can see the ISTHMUS of NIAGARA, at your right, which is ZARAHEMLA KINGDOM.

Press onece more the "minus" and you can see perfectly the land of the ISTHMUS NIAGARA, which is the KINGDOM ZARAHEMLA, at the CANADA side in relation to the NIAGARA FALLS. You can see some "dividing water" (SIDON RIVER, NIAGARA RIVER) flowing through a WILDERNESS separating the Zarahemla to the kingdoms of Nephites and Lamanites sited to the right side of the wilderness, which is the USA site. If you pay attention, there is a BLACK LINE joining the towns DETROIT = MANTI and BUFFALO (there is a Nephitic town for it, to be disclosed latter, a great battle took place there). Such black line is the deepest of WEST SEA = Lake Erie, the position in which, for legal purposes and for environmental reasons, is FLOWING THE "SIDON RIVER" lenthic condition. Thus in fact in modernity there is no more such thing as "LAKE ERIE" but RIVER SIDON "LENTHIC". The legal boundary to separate counties, states and nations is the position of the River flowing in the "Lenthic condition" under a lake and reservoirs.

Let us see one such link for other things to examine in Alma 22:27-33.
http://LDS.org/scriptures/Book of Mormon/alma/22.27,29?lang=eng

27 And it came to pass that the king sent a proclamation throughout all the land, amongst all his people who were in all his land, who were in all the regions round about, which was bordering even to the sea, on the east and on the west, and which was divided from the land of Zarahemla by a narrow strip of wilderness, which ran from the sea east even to the sea west, and round about on the borders of the seashore, and the borders of the wilderness which was on the north by the land of Zarahemla, through the borders of Manti, by the head of the river Sidon, running from the east towards the west—and thus were the Lamanites and the Nephites divided.
(we already saw this flow east toward west, above, using Google maps).

[Guest]

This post came from the message about the HEAT OF SIDON RIVER



http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/97f ... 3d606g.jpg

To see enlarged image, click on previous URL. Notice that the HEAD of SIDON River is at nowadays CHICAGO Metropolitan Area, and that Sidon River starts as Lothic River (visible flow) but in short distance it is turned into Sidon River Lenthic River flow, becoming the Lake Michigan (as submerged or flooded river going NORTH). All around the Lake Michigan, from east to west, from north to south, it was surrounded by Nephites. None Lamanite lived around the Lake Michigan, NORTH SEA and NORTH LANDS, before the collapse of the Nephite EMPIRE. The guarantee was provided by the town and fort of MANTI and others as TEANCUM in the "key" region of transition of South Lands to the North Lands.

The "wilderness" at the head of Sidon River, is the same way of saying the river is passing through the middle of forest (quite like swamp?). In one case we have the Niagara river flowing in the middle of some very difficult vegetation (canyon) in the border of USA and CANADA: the "narrow strip of wilderness" (Alma 22:27) and in case of the HEADS of Sidon RiverS, some HEADs feed the Sidon River flowing North and others the Sidon River flowing South, thus Canoe of Indians could transpose from Lake to River Illinois in such "WILDERNESS" at the Head of Sidon River.

Such fact was very much well documented by European Historians, as the fact it was possible to transpose from the River Sidon Lenthic to the Lothic, by the Indians. Reason to exist an indian trade place and then the modern trade that originated Chicago and the modern harbor. We will see that in more details. The Lamanites that passed over the Hill Riplah intended to invade the NORTH LANDS and NORTH SEA, to break the trade and political and militar support of North to South.

MANTI was a place ultra-important in the military strategy and economic trade place for Nephitic empire, because of its ultra-strategic position. Quite like that of Constantinople in the link between Europe and Asia. It is very evident that all trade from Zarahemla and from Nephites harbor to "head of Sidon River" (which is nowadays Chicago town, also the harbor for trade toward the Gulf of Mexico through Illinois River = SOUTH Sidon River branch) had to be controlled through the military town of MANTI.

[_Chap]

Erm .... if there really was once a huge Nephite empire in North America with the dominant group composed of Jewish Christians for the best part of six centuries, wouldn't archeologists have found some evidence of it by now?

[_ELYSAB]

Dear Chap (BIG FRY)

Erm .... if there really was once a huge Nephite empire in North America with the dominant group composed of Jewish Christians for the best part of six centuries, wouldn't archeologists have found some evidence of it by now?

The problem is that the Christians, even LDS, are very BIASED people (say clearly, B I A S E D people), who refused and refuses to believe in the prophet Joseph Smith that told clearly that Nephitic Empire stretched from New York State (from CUMORAH HILL, the one next to the EAST SEA, as He disclosed; he didn't say Cumorah Hill was next to the ONTARIUM LAKE... He said it was next to the "EAST SEA")
to the ROCKY MOUNTAINS. Thus it included many:

INDIANS MOUNDS (little MOUNTS) spread through the U.S. in which it was found plenty of evidences of advanced civilization. The evidences (valuable objects) ended mainly in the hands of the JEWS of New York, some for use in ESOTERISM purposes (as they did equally in Europe) of Jewish Religion, even with Sabellian things.

Thus it is not absurd the idea that things discovered in NEWARK and in KINDERHOOK and in LOS LUNAS, just to make you AWARE of much more things discovered ACCROSS USA, is plenty of evidences against CHRISTIANS and against LDS, that refused and refuses to accept them as "possible". Because they are VERY BIASED against the TRUTH. Truth that quite strangely was well accepted, and naturally, by the JEWS. Just look at the history of Los Lunas and Newark, just to exemplify.


What about the recent case of Burrows Cave in state of Illinois, USA? In fact LDS scientist is against any novelty toward North America (they try to denny any possibility, as in Kindergate). If possible they would destroy Cumorah to start the "tale" (of Gold Plates) of Cumorah (from nearby New York) in somewhere more new convenient "hill" in Mexico or Guatemala. Providing the "changes" on the account of Joseph Smith's finding the plates on the new Mexican or Guatemalan Cumorah's hill. "All in name of Science"...

I think this is from your research organization: from "CHAP's friends."

http://CHAPmanresearch.org/PDF/The%20Ancient%20Los%20Lumas%20New%20Mexico%20Hebrew%2010%20Commandments%20Stone.pdf
chapmanresearch.org/.../...
Items 60 - 65 – set down in an old Hebrew script. The script and its translation seem unmysterious. ... It has been named Phoenician Rock or the Commandment ...... slid into the earth and vanished from sight" (The Epic of Latin America, p.25). ... Picture of Ancient Ship Found in Burrows Cave Illinois.

Nations Before Our Own
http://www.rense.com/general82/nations.htm
In the mid-1950s, Mrs. Alleyne K. Ecker pulled a peculiar object from red clay fifteen ... The slabs found their way to New Mexico via the tradeships of Phoenicians or ... Some of the Hebrew words found jumbled in with the Latin are "Jehovah," ... Roman coins have been unearthed in tribal burial mounds as far west as Illinois. ...


WHAT ABOUT THIS? WAS THIS THE WORK OF JEWS? TO MAKE MOCKERY OF LDS PEOPLE, WHEN THEY WHERE YET WEAK?



THINK ABOUT.

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Newark Holy Stones - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newark_Holy_Stones
They can be viewed at the Johnson-Humrickhouse Museum in Coshocton, Ohio. The site where the objects were found is known as The Newark Earthworks, one of the biggest collections from an ancient American Indian culture known as ... This rock was carved with post-Exilic square Hebrew letters on all sides translated ...
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List of museums in Ohio - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_museums_in_Ohio

Wikimedia Commons has media related to: Museums in Ohio ...

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The UnMuseum: The Decalogue Stones - Museum of Unnatural Mystery

www.unmuseum.org/decalog.htm

Around the man and then along the sides and back of the object were carved what ... had been excavating an ancient Indian mound near Newark, Ohio, USA. ... It is inscribed in Hebrew using the Old Hebrew alphabet and some Greek letters. ...
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Foothills Farm

www.foothillsfarm.com/visitors/attractions.html

Flint Ridge museum is located on a ridge southeast of Newark Oh in which the ... Ohio Indian Arts Museum & Great Circle Earthworks .... A 136 foot diorama of the National Road plus many objects illustrate this theme. ...
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The Newark Holy Stones - Johnson-Humrickhouse Museum

www.jhmuseum.org/holy_stone_about.htm
The Newark Holy Stones is comprised of four objects:

the Keystone,
the Decalogue ... The context suggested a link with the Hopewell Indian culture, which thrived ... Charles Whittlesey, one of Ohio's noteworthy early archaeologists, ...
with Hebraic letters that convey an abbreviated form of the Ten Commandments. ...

OBJECT, named KEYSTONE, found in a cemetery burial place, for very ancient INDIANS, written in HEBREW.

Near the place named KIRTLAND, Ohio. Thus Indians in fact were able to write in Hebrew, as it is mentioned in Book of Mormon, but were not doing so, because the "characters" for Hebrew requiring more space (in the plates, for example) and taking more time and effort to write.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... Stones.gif


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Decal ... Stones.gif

This stone was carved with a human figure of a priest with the mantle over the shoulder, and was inside a sarcophag, with a religious message;



JEWS (of NY) translated the Sabelli's-Nephitic old Indian characters, as if they were some exotic type of Hebrew (mixed with Phoenician - Joel 3:6)

[_ELYSAB]

JOSEPH SMITH TOLD THAT IN THE CASE OF ZELPH he as other good lamanites was trying to get refuge in the ROCKY MOUNTAINS. And that ZELPH was an important person, known from CUMORAH HILL to the ROCKY MOUNTAINS.

Well, the SHELTER (refuge) for the NEPHITES and good LAMANITES, in the ROCKY MOUNTAINS, was found by the JEWS. Not by the LDS, because the LDS don't believe in the words of their prophets. Thus they go make searches in MEXICO and GUATEMALA, not in ROCKY MOUNTAIN to the CUMORAH, trying to find evidences of Nephites civilization. In Mexico to Guatemala they don't need to find something as they are surrounded by plenty evidences (remains) of ruins of things that have nothing to do with the Nephites and Jaredites civilization...

But the JEWS are SMARTER and WORK IN SILENCE and are HUMBLER.

http://chapmanresearch.org/PDF/The%20Ancient%20Los%20Lumas%20New%20Mexico%20Hebrew%2010%20Commandments%20Stone.pdf

See page 2 of this report, SCIENTIFIC, and you will see the same type of CHARACTERS we have in OLD SABELLIC LANGUAGE IN EUROPE (IN ITALY) and in the KINDERHOOK PLATES that the CHURCH declared be false. False are the scientists who declared that. Because they want, at any price and cost, to make Mexico to Guatemala, to make such bloodiest civilizations, be the Nephitic one. Going against the teaching from the prophet. Nephitic civilization stretched from Cumorah Hill to the Rocky Mountains. Church followed such guidelines and development.



The striking answer to the question of dr. CHAP is answered at the prologue at the long BOOK (here as Internet BooK of above URL):

An Ancient Hebrew Inscription in New Mexico
Fact or Fraud?
by James D. Tabor
The standard textbook wisdom that we all learned from grade school on up is that the
Americas were discovered by the Europeans either in 1492 by Columbus, or perhaps
even a few hundred years earlier by the Vikings. There seems to be an aversion among
the establishment historians to even consider the idea that ancient Mediterranean peoples
might have traveled to the Americas in the centuries before our era. Except for certain
“fringe” scholarship, particularly promoted by Mormon historians, the standard view is
considered indisputable. The very idea that “primitive” peoples from Cyprus, Phoenicia,
Greece, or Iberia had the sailing sophistication to cross the Atlantic is thought to be
improbable if not absurd.
There are a few notable exceptions. Dr. Cyrus Gordon, one of the greatest living
historians of ancient Near Eastern civilizations has promoted the idea that such peoples
reached the New World for the past several decades. Actually, when one digs around a
bit, it turns out that the historical and archaeological evidence is quite impressive. It has
been well documented by Barry Fell in his major study, America B.C. (New York: Pocket
Books, 1989).
One of the most fascinating sites Dr. Fell surveys is located south of Albuquerque, New
Mexico, a few miles west of a little town called Los Lunas. The site has been known as
“Mystery Mountain” by the locals for many years. At the foot of a mini-Masada like
natural plateau there is an inscription written in paleo-Hebrew. The inscription contains a
slightly abridged version of the Decalogue or Ten Commandments. Anyone who is
familiar with the Hebrew language, and the well-established ancient Hebrew alphabet
used prior to the Common Era, can easily read this inscription.

[_ELYSAB]

When we doubt generally is because our lack of information, of science.

And there are organizations, people, groups that try to keep people ignorant. The most typical example was Catholic organizations. Quite like keeping all the information and wisdom for itself. And keeping all people in the age of darkness, in the age of Medieval days. Even Bible people they couldn't read. In fact for that they had to be kept illeterated people.

Who is interested to keep in ignorance and to say USA indians allways were ignorant, not able to write and read? Catholics and Protestants = Christians. (LDS? What they teach? In practice? Did they ever find something from learned USA indians, as some objects with Nephites inscriptions? HUM !!! They are like Catholics...).



See enlarged, click next URL.
http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/0186e0ec06ad6027c1dccb9c7f4418037e0c9f6652467962948cf1753afc113b6g.jpg

Fig. 1.
The Grave Creek Stone
Smithsonian photograph 90-9022
(MS 3146, E.H. Davis Collection, National Anthropological Archives)
The Grave Creek Stone was discovered in 1838 during the excavation of the Grave Creek Mound, in Moundsville, West Virginia, on the Ohio River, about 10 miles south of
Wheeling. The stone, an actual photograph of which appears in Figure 1 above, was a
small inscribed sandstone disk, about 1 7/8" (4.8 cm) wide, and 1 1/2" (3.6 cm) high. The reverse side was uninscribed.

AS YOU CAN SEE, IT HAS INSCRIPTION IN SABELLI LANGUAGE (OR SIMILAR ANCIENT ITALIAN LANGUAGE), FOUND IN INDIAN MOUND.

IF IT WAS GOLD, IT WAS MELTED AND DISAPPEARED...

[_Chap]

I am glad that I asked my question, since the answer has diverted ELYSAB's course away from its previous direction and into artifacts. He now seems to be listing pretty well every object that has ever been cited as evidence of Jews being in the Americas before Columbus. It would be a very large task to assemble a critique of them all - but here is one:

The Nephites left their homes before the Babylonian exile. If the Newark stones are Nephite in origin, why are they in post-Exilic Hebrew script?

But in any case - since this is Mormon Discussions, I assume that the context here is the Book of Mormon. And for archeology to support the Book of Mormon's events having occurred in North America, we need much, much more than the kind of objects listed above, which (even if they are all genuine, which is disputable) only suggest that a few Jews may have passed through the country from time to time.

What we need are cities, tombs, religious buildings, and all the signs of a great and prosperous Judeo-Christian culture that endured for centuries and finally perished after prolonged warfare around the seventh century AD. That just isn't there, is it?

[_ELYSAB]

Some things are quite difficult to understand or explain. For example, the Sabelli = Savelli have been considered quite like "jewish alike" branch even when catholics/christian, since old days (Romans)... When I went to present a lecture at the Univ. of Univ. of Massachusset at Amherst, my wife and I stayed many days in the home of an import jew scientist of an important university of New York showing important things of Jews of New York, as if we were Jews... and they knew we were not. We learned that BEFORE Joseph Smith some of the more Wises of Israelite comunity of New York concluded that the ONANDONGA Indians of New York were TRUE BROTHERS from Israel, true descedents of ONAN, thus they were true descedents of JUDAH with TAMAR... They concluded that making a kind of scientific and religious research with the ONANDONGAS: BEFORE JOSEPH SMITH's revelations.

Not all Jews accepted. In any way it was tried/started a program to convert such "brothers" into the JUDAISM and to gather them into a ZION, that was to be sited into the ISTHMUS of NIAGARA, between the USA and main Canada. But both USA and England refused to authorize. They knew that somehow the descendents from ONAN arrived in New York, in Long Island. But they didn't know if it was by some time of Phoenician or Greek sailship, as it would appear to be the most probable possibility. For sure the Jews never disclosed such "fancy" ideas fearing fo face so greatest "mockery" from the "Christians" (and LDS, and BYU/FAIR,etc). Also because of political problems with the ideal and goal of creating a Zion, a new Israel, something that they attempted also in other places, as Brazil before World War II as refuge for Jews that were to be killed in Europe.

In the episode of ZELPH it is clear that Joseph Smith was aware about the information from Jews of New York about the Onandongas being true Jews. In fact being true Jews of Juddah tribe, thus from the Zarahemla people... HUM?

But talk on that is TOO MUCH for ultra biased LDS blind people. That is talk for Jewish people. They also know the truth and also knwo how to read the Gold Plates, something that is a shame for us to discuss about in this forum to talk about... if it is written in St. Berrillum "long hand or short hand" with "phoenician accent" from left to right, etc.


Zelph - The White Lamanite Warrior
http://www.utlm.org/onlineresources/zelph.htm
Zelph - The White Lamanite Warrior. by Sandra Tanner. Today many of the LDS scholars want to limit the Book of Mormon geography to southern Mexico and ...


#
Squish the Mopologist: Zelph story is bad for mopologists in 2 ways
exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,130099,130099...1
First up: Zelph, the famous White Lamanite. Mopologists and their "limited ... Trouble is, there is a county in New York named Onondaga. ...

#
Squish the Mopologist: Zelph story is bad for mopologists in 2 ways
exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,130099
The best proof of this is in the story of Zelph, a "white Lamanite ...

The Zelph story destroys the Mesoamerican Book of Mormon theory - PostMormon.org
... › The Community Forum -
5 Mar 2011 – First up: Zelph, the famous White Lamanite. ... possibly be unconcerned about the fact that Onandagus is astonishingly similar to Onondaga? ...

-------> ONANDAGUS is in LATIN LANGUAGE....

[_ELYSAB]

MORMONDISCUSSIONS on KINDERHOOK subject in the period of Aug 23, 2011 to Sep 11, 2011

It is amazing that the LDS didn't notice that the plates KINDERHOOK have their MESSAGE in CHARACTERS that are in the LANGUAGE of SABELLICUS people, that typically came from ISRAEL and stayed slave in PHOENICIA and then in GREECE and then went into ANCIENT ITALIA (ITA + LIAh = JACOB's , thus land for ISRAELITES). Thus SABELLICUS is the LANGUAGE for ISRAELITES that were dispersed from ISRAEL and that mixed with PHOENICIAN and GREEK, and that is basically the language of ANCIENT ITALY. And that is basically the language of the NEPHITES and the language that is in the CHARACTERS of the KINDERHOOK PLATES.

It is possible that the original plates, in the old and good BRASS were replaced by the "modern" brass by some SCIENTISTS of the CHURCH (BYU and ancestors of it), just to justify the idea that the nephites were in Mexico and Guatemala. Thus adding the FALSE BRASS. But in any way the correct information was added, by photography copying and corroding the false brass, with image fixing on false brass. Nice scientists using all means to justify ends.

http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/ca3d4fa44d118c5f7c37f99db79fa4eb5933b884c7c46c66418ea15adcb2f3986g.jpg

Click on previous URL. It shows the CHARACTERS and text used in LOS LUNAS, NEW MEXICO, for a religious text that is believed to be in Hebraic, for the TEN COMMANDMENTS. In fact it is written the same characters used in the KINDERHOOK PLATES, thus in SABELLICUS characters, thus in NEPHITIC characters, thus is very old ITALICUS characters. The similitude is very great, but the texts are not identical. Thus they were not made by the same person. They are just "similar materials". As Jews were able to translate through some type of Hebrew, it is also possible to translate through some type of Sabellich = Nephitic (the languages are very related).
ELYSAB. But the language LDS=BYU with stone languages of Guatemala and Mexico go nowhere. Maybe to Ideogramas of “monsters” = alike Chinese.



When we doubt generally is because our lack of information, of science.

And there are organizations, people, groups that try to keep people ignorant. The most typical example was Catholic organizations. Quite like keeping all the information and wisdom for itself. And keeping all people in the age of darkness, in the age of Medieval days. Even Bible people they couldn't read. In fact for that they had to be kept illeterated people.

Who is interested to keep in ignorance and to say USA indians allways were ignorant, not able to write and read? Catholics and Protestants = Christians. (LDS? What they teach? In practice? Did they ever find something from learned USA indians, as some objects with Nephites inscriptions? HUM !!! They are like Catholics...).



See enlarged, click next URL.
http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/018 ... 113b6g.jpg

Fig. 1.
The Grave Creek Stone
Smithsonian photograph 90-9022
(MS 3146, E.H. Davis Collection, National Anthropological Archives)
The Grave Creek Stone was discovered in 1838 during the excavation of the Grave Creek Mound, in Moundsville, West Virginia, on the Ohio River, about 10 miles south of
Wheeling. The stone, an actual photograph of which appears in Figure 1 above, was a
small inscribed sandstone disk, about 1 7/8" (4.8 cm) wide, and 1 1/2" (3.6 cm) high. The reverse side was uninscribed.

AS YOU CAN SEE, IT HAS INSCRIPTION IN SABELLI LANGUAGE (OR SIMILAR ANCIENT ITALIAN LANGUAGE), FOUND IN INDIAN MOUND.

IF IT WAS GOLD, IT WAS MELTED AND DISAPPEARED...

Object found in OHIO RIVER, in an [b]INDIAN MOUND, in 1838, with a text written in Nephitic = sabellic language. Can you read?[/b]

According Joseph Smith, the PROPHET (the one who knew about the Nephitic Empire, not BYU-FAIR scientists, the Nephitic Empire stretched from Cumorah Hill, the one nearby the town of New York, to the Rocky Mountains, passing by the place where Zelph, the White Lamanite, was found next to the Illinois River, thus, next to the Mound where Kinderhooh Plates where found...).

The Indian Inscription above was exactly under the “Indian center line” of Nephitic Empire stretching according Joseph Smith... or not?

Please have a more alternative view, more Jewish like… Examine the WEB Book of 84 pages:

The Ancient Los Lunas New Mexico Hebrew 10 Commandments Stone

Compiled by Glen W. Chapman From Various Sources- April 2006

An Ancient Hebrew Inscription in New Mexico

Fact or Fraud?

by James D. Tabor

http://chapmanresearch.org/PDF/The%20Ancient%20Los%20Lumas%20New%20Mexico%20Hebrew%2010%20Commandments%20Stone.pdf




See my site: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=20022&p=498686#p498686 about MORMONDISCUSSIONS on KINDERHOOK subject

in the period of Aug 23, 2011 to Sep 11, 2011.