How Come People Do Not Want To Believe?

[_Quasimodo]

Imagine if you will that you are telling this wisdom of yours to a man who has been there, and found God and knows all about it. You are guessing wildly. What is truth? Science is not static and therefore cannot be truth. Science can never be more true than only one piece of a huge jig saw puzzle. One piece. Think about it. And then they realize that that one piece never was a real piece after all.

No, I'm not guessing at all. I'm specifically trying not to guess. If something is true, it needs to be proven as true. There is very wide gray area between true and false. If something cannot be proven as true that doesn't mean that it is false. Only that it hasn't been proven.

If I'm saying this to a man who has found God, I don't expect him to accept it. I do expect him to realize that I cannot feel his epiphany. Those things are very personal.

[_beefcalf]

I am wondering why people refuse to believe God prepared and unfolded The Apocalrock in the eyes of all nations to convince them of the salvation of their God.
...
Why do they not want to believe?

You can't say it does not exist
You can't say it does not represent God
You can't say it fails to fulfill scripture
You can't say that it does not teach anything
You can't say a people were not brought here and planted squarely in front of this Ensign
You can't say God has not taken the initiative to unfold it or deny that a man has declared it

Actually, I can. Watch closely:

It does not exist.
It does not represent God.
It fails to fulfill scripture.
It does not teach anything.
People were not brought here and planted squarely in front of your Ensign.
God has not taken the initiative to unfold it.

Although I cannot deny that you have declared it.

One out of seven ain't bad. But it ain't enough.

If God has decided you are his one true prophet on Earth, and you have approximately how many followers after this many years? Zero? How long is He expecting His whole salvation-of-man thing to take? Billions of years?

Sorry, can't buy it.

[_Nightlion]

Imagine if you will that you are telling this wisdom of yours to a man who has been there, and found God and knows all about it. You are guessing wildly. What is truth? Science is not static and therefore cannot be truth. Science can never be more true than only one piece of a huge jig saw puzzle. One piece. Think about it. And then they realize that that one piece never was a real piece after all.

No, I'm not guessing at all. I'm specifically trying not to guess. If something is true, it needs to be proven as true. There is very wide gray area between true and false. If something cannot be proven as true that doesn't mean that it is false. Only that it hasn't been proven.

If I'm saying this to a man who has found God, I don't expect him to accept it. I do expect him to realize that I cannot feel his epiphany. Those things are very personal.

It may already be upon us that the world will be made to feel after these things. I had a dream of three masked home invaders the night before last and the same thing was yesterday in the news about a home in Salt Lake.

D&C 112:24-26
24 Behold, vengeance cometh speedily upon the inhabitants of the earth, a day of wrath, a day of burning, a day of desolation, of weeping, of mourning, and of lamentation; and as a whirlwind it shall come upon all the face of the earth, saith the Lord.
25 And upon my house shall it begin, and from my house shall it go forth, saith the Lord;
26 First among those among you, saith the Lord, who have professed to know my name and have not known me, and have blasphemed against me in the midst of my house, saith the Lord

3 Ne. 20: 16
16 Then shall ye, who are a remnant of the house of Jacob, go forth among them; and ye shall be in the midst of them who shall be many; and ye shall be among them as a lion among the beasts of the forest, and as a young lion among the flocks of sheep, who, if he goeth through both treadeth down and teareth in pieces, and none can deliver.


They may have got the idea from that 'perfect storm of evil' trial back East. But this is very unsettling that in my dream I went to answer the door expecting a visitor and three masked home invaders where already in my house.

You cannot defy God to prove to you before you will believe. That is a blasphemy. It just will not work that way. We must submit to him and be contrite and humble lest his fury and anger be kindled. Only Zion escapes and has power against the evil day.

[_Nightlion]

I am wondering why people refuse to believe God prepared and unfolded The Apocalrock in the eyes of all nations to convince them of the salvation of their God.
...
Why do they not want to believe?

You can't say it does not exist
You can't say it does not represent God
You can't say it fails to fulfill scripture
You can't say that it does not teach anything
You can't say a people were not brought here and planted squarely in front of this Ensign
You can't say God has not taken the initiative to unfold it or deny that a man has declared it

Actually, I can. Watch closely:

It does not exist.
It does not represent God.
It fails to fulfill scripture.
It does not teach anything.
People were not brought here and planted squarely in front of your Ensign.
God has not taken the initiative to unfold it.

Although I cannot deny that you have declared it.

One out of seven ain't bad. But it ain't enough.

If God has decided you are his one true prophet on Earth, and you have approximately how many followers after this many years? Zero? How long is He expecting His whole salvation-of-man thing to take? Billions of years?

Sorry, can't buy it.

These things are in place before the necessity of it. Which necessity is now at the doors. It would be very lame if it came after the fact. Like so many other voices will.

[_truth dancer]

Hi NL...

I have an acquaintance who believes she is an oracle. She receives messages from the fairy world, from various numbers written on objects, and through all sorts of various techniques.

She believes she has knowledge that is from God/the Divine... do you want to listen to her? Why not? You can't prove she isn't correct.

What about the Imam who declares he is in contact with the will of Allah?

How about all the authors of the various books you can find at Barnes and Noble who claim to have received messages from God?

What about your neighborhood astrologer? Perhaps if you believed and had faith you would learn something?

My point is, people seem to believe what, in their mind and heart feels/seems right, or true, or correct.

There are thousands of people throughout the world who claim to have some sort of divine truth... who does one believe? Or should people believe what feels right and makes sense to them. Should people have faith in someone or something that doesn't make sense? Or that feels really mistaken? Or that just seems crazy?

Does God really work this way? Seriously, NL, is this God's plan?

~td~

[_UnicornMan]

As I've experienced negative things in the Church I have desired NOT to believe because the sacrifices don't seem worth the experiences. Or at times, the sacrifices just seem to be too great for the hope there may be some kind of eternal reward after this life is over.

If I had viewed the sacrifices required by the Church (when I was 20, an investigator) they way I see them now, I think those sacrifices would have kept me from "desiring to believe".

As it stands, I find the 10% for the rest of your life, the cultural norms that are constantly construed as doctrine, the chapel cleaning, and expectations that you serve where, when, and for as long as leaders say you do onerous. They are the kind of thing I would want out of my life so i wouldn't put the effort into determining if "it's true".

[_Nightlion]

There are thousands of people throughout the world who claim to have some sort of divine truth... who does one believe? Or should people believe what feels right and makes sense to them. Should people have faith in someone or something that doesn't make sense? Or that feels really mistaken? Or that just seems crazy?

Does God really work this way? Seriously, NL, is this God's plan?

~td~

God is not the author or confusion.
Seems to me, td, that you only want to cancel God out of the equation.
The provenance of all truth claims have no comparison to depth of the Christ's proofs. You can toss everything in the mix hoping to create enough confusion to nullify the entire attempt. Rather insincere I think.

The scientific age has been mined to blaspheme against God by establishing its METHOD for finding truth as sacrosanct in inviolate. All the educated ones have been given to think that the truths of God must come by direct observation or calculation, when in fact it has always been discovered and proven and added upon in the humble and contrite hearts and minds of those who are LED to it.

No man can come unto Christ except the Father draw him. Who cares about the many misleading attempts at truth? Can you demand that God draw you unto the discovery of the truth and all the power and gifts and blessings that his gospel affords as if you come to own this honor while striving for all your earned degrees of this world in academia? Heaven forbid.

Leave all stupid truths to themselves where they wither, hare today goon tomorrow.

[_Buffalo]

God is not the author or confusion.

A tacit admission that God had nothing to do with the Book of Mormon?

[_Nightlion]

As I've experienced negative things in the Church I have desired NOT to believe because the sacrifices don't seem worth the experiences. Or at times, the sacrifices just seem to be too great for the hope there may be some kind of eternal reward after this life is over.

If I had viewed the sacrifices required by the Church (when I was 20, an investigator) they way I see them now, I think those sacrifices would have kept me from "desiring to believe".

As it stands, I find the 10% for the rest of your life, the cultural norms that are constantly construed as doctrine, the chapel cleaning, and expectations that you serve where, when, and for as long as leaders say you do onerous. They are the kind of thing I would want out of my life so i wouldn't put the effort into determining if "it's true".

I happened to be working alongside a woman from India. After she asked why I had a landlord for an office space I expounded a little bit of The Apocalrock. When I explained my latest about Christ at The Moment Before The First Nail and told her about the one where Eve is contemplating partaking of the forbidden fruit and how here contemplation is manifested as if a vision of her death with an old lady being attended to by a physician holding out smoking herbs, she said that I was scaring her.

Never considered that all the weight behind so many fulfilled prophecies and the electric astonishment of dozens of finely crafted works of art as the evident handiwork of God cut out of one in the same mountain side without hands in layers of light and shadow of dawn and dusk and according to the circle of the earth around the sun here fixed upon a solitary stone ensign would scare someone. Hmm. Interesting. I can see people not wanting that to be true if it is too much of a reality beyond their ability to comprehend and relate to. Hmm.

[_Nightlion]

God is not the author or confusion.

A tacit admission that God had nothing to do with the Book of Mormon?

Whatever you read there you know not what.