Pornography Poll: Personal Issues

[Guest]

Droopy wrote:

Its also deeply culturally conditioned and mediated by a number of other factors.

That's the problem. Cultural conditioning makes sexual interest abnormal.

What does this have to do with pornography?

Sex is sex. Sexual interest is what pornography is all about.

This is nothing but a emotive tirade. Being in the Celestial room, could you engage in philosophical argumentation?

This is a philosophical argument. You're being obtuse.

I'm posing serious questions, and trying to elicit stimulating discussion/debate, and all I can get, for the most part, is a traditional Phil Donahue rant about silly religious taboos, the "naturalness" of sex, and how moral principles themselves are the cause of the very social pathologies they seek to ameliorate (rather than the "natural" human weaknesses and tendencies to unbridled apatite/desire satiation being the cause of the need for moral principles and ethical philosophy).

You are getting serious answers. Just because you don't agree with the thoughts doesn't mean they are not serious. From my point of view, your postulations are adolescent. I think I can hear giggling in the background as though a teenager were whispering about "naughty" things.

Your interest in this subject speaks much about you. I don't think anyone is buying the "interested only in the philosophy aspect" excuse.

[_Droopy]

That's the problem. Cultural conditioning makes sexual interest abnormal

I agree with you completely, but not, I suspect, in the way you would want me to.

[_Cardinal Biggles]

I'd vote "Unconcerned," if the word was by itself, but the idea of masturbation specifically to pornography being a need is something I can't agree with.

So there are no options for which I can vote. Why was the additional text added to the "Unconcerned" option? In an effort to make the results come out in the way that the pollster desired?

[_Buffalo]

Droopy sure is interested in porn!

[_subgenius]

Anyone else a little creeped out by Droopy's porn questions?

"droopy" and "porn" are two words usually not complimentary when used together; maybe that is what is creepy.

[_subgenius]

That's the problem. Cultural conditioning makes sexual interest abnormal.

interesting, yet an unsupported premise. Argumentative and Regressive due to first cause and it has no biological imperative. To attempt to reduce "sexual interest" as a self-gratifying-physical object is naïve. If one subscribes to the basic tenets of evolution then one must concede that the end game for sex is procreation. Anything else must be a genetic mishap or a psychological retardation of development.
The notion that "normal" is "relative" simply breeds degeneration and has no virtue for the individual nor collective. The mere fact that across cultures we have similar "normal" sexual behaviors contradicts the implication being made by the above quoted post.
Otherwise the argument that Rape is merely a sexual "interest" holds water.

[_Quasimodo]

That's the problem. Cultural conditioning makes sexual interest abnormal.

interesting, yet an unsupported premise. Argumentative and Regressive due to first cause and it has no biological imperative. To attempt to reduce "sexual interest" as a self-gratifying-physical object is naïve. If one subscribes to the basic tenets of evolution then one must concede that the end game for sex is procreation. Anything else must be a genetic mishap or a psychological retardation of development.
The notion that "normal" is "relative" simply breeds degeneration and has no virtue for the individual nor collective. The mere fact that across cultures we have similar "normal" sexual behaviors contradicts the implication being made by the above quoted post.
Otherwise the argument that Rape is merely a sexual "interest" holds water.

Horse biscuits. "Biological imperative" has no relation to what I was saying. I think you may be trying to baffle us with BS.

Pornography is usually defined by whatever culture is in question. In many tropical climates, less developed people give no thought to women baring their breasts. It's hot and humid and women with no tops are much more comfortable. No one even notices.

In other cultures, things that seem non-sexual to us are considered lascivious. The nape of a woman's neck in Japan, for instance.

In some Polynesian cultures total nudity is not considered immoral.

In all cultures, what is forbidden is what is lasciviously desired.

That's what I meant.

[_just me]

If one subscribes to the basic tenets of evolution then one must concede that the end game for sex is procreation.

Uh, no they don't.

[_subgenius]

Horse biscuits. "Biological imperative" has no relation to what I was saying. I think you may be trying to baffle us with BS.

im not so sure BS is required to accomplish that.

Pornography is usually defined by whatever culture is in question. In many tropical climates, less developed people give no thought to women baring their breasts. It's hot and humid and women with no tops are much more comfortable. No one even notices.

Pornography = explicit portrayal of sexual subject matter for the purposes of sexual arousal and erotic satisfaction. So, regardless of the climate, an exposed breast for feeding a baby is not the same as one which is "explicit" in the purpose for sexual arousal.
your example makes no sense.

In other cultures, things that seem non-sexual to us are considered lascivious. The nape of a woman's neck in Japan, for instance.

irrelevant to the idea of "pornography"

In some Polynesian cultures total nudity is not considered immoral.

? morality is relative to behavior. Being ugly is not immoral, for example.

In all cultures, what is forbidden is what is lasciviously desired.

That's what I meant.

no, you meant that normal and abnormal, with regards to sexuality, is a product of culture...quite clear the first time you stated it. Now you are saying something else.

[_Quasimodo]

Horse biscuits. "Biological imperative" has no relation to what I was saying. I think you may be trying to baffle us with BS.

I'm not so sure BS is required to accomplish that.

Pornography is usually defined by whatever culture is in question. In many tropical climates, less developed people give no thought to women baring their breasts. It's hot and humid and women with no tops are much more comfortable. No one even notices.

Pornography = explicit portrayal of sexual subject matter for the purposes of sexual arousal and erotic satisfaction. So, regardless of the climate, an exposed breast for feeding a baby is not the same as one which is "explicit" in the purpose for sexual arousal.
your example makes no sense.

In other cultures, things that seem non-sexual to us are considered lascivious. The nape of a woman's neck in Japan, for instance.

irrelevant to the idea of "pornography"

In some Polynesian cultures total nudity is not considered immoral.

? morality is relative to behavior. Being ugly is not immoral, for example.

In all cultures, what is forbidden is what is lasciviously desired.

That's what I meant.

no, you meant that normal and abnormal, with regards to sexuality, is a product of culture...quite clear the first time you stated it. Now you are saying something else.

I began by trying to answer each of your points individually, but it became apparent that I don't need to do that.

Each of your statements are adolescent and missing the point (not to mention being a little mean spirited).

I'll be happy to address you when you would like to have an intelligent, respectful conversion.