Instances of Prophetic Fallibility

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Re: Instances of Prophetic Fallibility

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Drifting wrote:So, because Prophets are human they are expectedly fallible.
You agree that ther fallibility is demonstrable.

So when I said "demonstrably and expectedly fallible" you were actually in agreement with me.

a clever attempt but logical flawed. ignore not the context...if you read your own post you specifically use "demonstrably and expectedly fallible" as support for discussing prophecy, as in "expectedly" incorrect...when the opposite is true with regards to prophecy.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Expectedly
I propose the opposite of your post, whereas the probability is that a prophecy is infallible.
A prophet is a man, and is probably fallible - which is expected...but a prophet is also a prophet, and by which the prophecy is probably infallible - which is also expected. Your posts simply tries to bait-and-switch.

Now on to Prophecy.
How do you identify when a Prophet is prophesying as a Prophet and not speaking as a fallible human being?

The simple answer is that when a prophet is speaking about what he had for lunch that day, most likely not prophesying....if a prophet speaks about divine communication or revelation or spiritual concepts, then most likely a prophesying.
However the best method is depicted here:
1 Cor 2:14
Seek freedom and become captive of your desires...seek discipline and find your liberty
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Re: Instances of Prophetic Fallibility

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subgenius wrote:The simple answer is that when a prophet is speaking about what he had for lunch that day, most likely not prophesying....if a prophet speaks about divine communication or revelation or spiritual concepts, then most likely a prophesying.


So, when Brigham Young the Prophet prophesied that Blacks would be only servants in the Celestial Kingdom was he correct?
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Re: Instances of Prophetic Fallibility

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subgenius wrote:The simple answer is that when a prophet is speaking about what he had for lunch that day, most likely not prophesying....if a prophet speaks about divine communication or revelation or spiritual concepts, then most likely a prophesying.


That sounds great until you come across all the errors made by prophets when talking about spiritual concepts, and even doing it "in the name of the Lord."
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.

B.R. McConkie, © Intellectual Reserve wrote:There are those who say that revealed religion and organic evolution can be harmonized. This is both false and devilish.
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Re: Instances of Prophetic Fallibility

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Drifting wrote:
subgenius wrote:The simple answer is that when a prophet is speaking about what he had for lunch that day, most likely not prophesying....if a prophet speaks about divine communication or revelation or spiritual concepts, then most likely a prophesying.


So, when Brigham Young the Prophet prophesied that Blacks would be only servants in the Celestial Kingdom was he correct?

geez, really?
Has that issue not been resolved to your satisfaction?
Do we discount Jesus Christ as a prophet because of Matthew 12:40?
You are grasping at straws and trying to form an argument where there is none.
exactly what point are proposing?
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Re: Instances of Prophetic Fallibility

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Drifting wrote:
subgenius wrote:The simple answer is that when a prophet is speaking about what he had for lunch that day, most likely not prophesying....if a prophet speaks about divine communication or revelation or spiritual concepts, then most likely a prophesying.


So, when Brigham Young the Prophet prophesied that Blacks would be only servants in the Celestial Kingdom was he correct?


Bump, to allow subgenius a second chance to answer this straightforward, reasonable, on topic question.
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Re: Instances of Prophetic Fallibility

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subgenius wrote:Do we discount Jesus Christ as a prophet because of Matthew 12:40?


No, we discount him as a prophet because of Matthew 24:34.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.

B.R. McConkie, © Intellectual Reserve wrote:There are those who say that revealed religion and organic evolution can be harmonized. This is both false and devilish.
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