Michael Ash - Shaken Faith Syndrome

[_Drifting]

Truths are the messages from God that have not been altered by man.

There are none tdhen. At least, there are none that come through prophets.

Well that's all scripture out then...

[_harmony]

There are none tdhen. At least, there are none that come through prophets.

Well that's all scripture out then...

Do you have a problem with that?

[_Franktalk]

There are none then. At least, there are none that come through prophets.

That is one way to look at it. I do see all messages twisted to some degree but enough gets through to satisfy God's purposes or else He would find another path.

I think the main parts of the message get to us and are clear. Beyond that things get fuzzy very quickly. This is why I don't get to wrapped up in details of doctrine. I spend a lot of time with scripture but most of it I am not sure of the meaning. But for now it is the best I have so I am happy with it.

[_Themis]

Truths are the messages from God that have not been altered by man. We can also communicate a truth, like when I say I went to the bank when I in fact did go to the bank. I am saying something that actually happened. In a sense that is how a truth happens. When God says something all of reality will re-alter itself to make it so.

But man considers many things true that are in reality just relationships of things made.

It would be more accurate to just say truth is about the correctness of a statement. You believe everything God may say as being absolute truth or absolute correct. Your last statement is not truth per say, but that God has the ability to change anything to how he/she/they want. :)


Now how about the more important question

Could you explain how one discerns or recognizes the holy Ghost is communicating with them?

[_Franktalk]

Now how about the more important question

Could you explain how one discerns or recognizes the holy Ghost is communicating with them?

In a spiritual setting you get to know each other. It is like being introduced to a new friend. You recognize them by who they are. In a spiritual sense that is what happens. You discern good spirits from bad and clean your house of bad ones. Once the Holy Spirit indwells then evil can not come in. Only if we sin and drive out the Holy Spirit can evil re-enter. There are of course other things you can do to prevent evil as well. The armor of God is always good for protection and battle.

Much of the New Testament is devoted to spiritual warfare. If you read it and believe what it says then you can start your journey. But most people think that all those spirit things were just stories or just on the earth in those days. They can't believe in evil spirits walking around. If you don't believe in evil spirits then you don't believe in spirits in general. If that is true then that needs to be fixed before you can start on a spiritual journey.

[_Morley]

Now how about the more important question

Could you explain how one discerns or recognizes the holy Ghost is communicating with them?

In a spiritual setting you get to know each other. It is like being introduced to a new friend. You recognize them by who they are. In a spiritual sense that is what happens. You discern good spirits from bad and clean your house of bad ones. Once the Holy Spirit indwells then evil can not come in. Only if we sin and drive out the Holy Spirit can evil re-enter. There are of course other things you can do to prevent evil as well. The armor of God is always good for protection and battle.

Much of the New Testament is devoted to spiritual warfare. If you read it and believe what it says then you can start your journey. But most people think that all those spirit things were just stories or just on the earth in those days. They can't believe in evil spirits walking around. If you don't believe in evil spirits then you don't believe in spirits in general. If that is true then that needs to be fixed before you can start on a spiritual journey.

So, before you can believe, you first have to believe. Do I have that right?

[_harmony]

There are none then. At least, there are none that come through prophets.

That is one way to look at it. I do see all messages twisted to some degree but enough gets through to satisfy God's purposes or else He would find another path.

He did; he has. It's called personal revelation.

[_Themis]

In a spiritual setting you get to know each other. It is like being introduced to a new friend. You recognize them by who they are. In a spiritual sense that is what happens. You discern good spirits from bad and clean your house of bad ones. Once the Holy Spirit indwells then evil can not come in. Only if we sin and drive out the Holy Spirit can evil re-enter. There are of course other things you can do to prevent evil as well. The armor of God is always good for protection and battle.

You are not very good at this are you? What you wrote above is not descriptive of what the expereince of having the HG communicate to you would be like. Is this becuase have never really had any experiences to go from? You did say in other threads you have never had many, so maybe you don't have the experiences needed.

Much of the New Testament is devoted to spiritual warfare. If you read it and believe what it says then you can start your journey. But most people think that all those spirit things were just stories or just on the earth in those days. They can't believe in evil spirits walking around. If you don't believe in evil spirits then you don't believe in spirits in general. If that is true then that needs to be fixed before you can start on a spiritual journey.

You seem to think one has to believe before the HG can communicate. How does this make reasonable sense for one to believe first before they can get evidence that the belief is true. This is a recipe for fools, and a tool of the fraudster. This is what I would call blind faith, and after one believes then their brains are more open to create the experience they desire.

[_SteelHead]

Once you walk in the spirit then discerning the Holy Spirit is like a drunk falling down. It requires no skill at that point. But the path is easy and many say they want it but will not do the things to obtain it. It is so easy to get there but it requires one to cut the cords to this world. Most people refuse to do this. I have read post from many people who say they seek but will not go beyond an intellectual investigation. It is hard in the sense that the world has a powerful draw to the flesh. I have laid out the path as best I could. The rest is up to you. There is nothing I can do to help. I can tell you to read 1 John many times to see the path. John is the one who loved God as much as Daniel. Only through this kind of love can God reveal the difficult messages. Now does the love of God make one perfect? Of course not, even John worshiped an angel in heaven by mistake.

If it so simple then explain the Joseph Smith Book of Mormon Canadian copy right incident. If even Joseph could not discern what chance do you have?

[_SteelHead]

BKP:

"Be ever on guard lest you be deceived by inspiration from an unworthy source. You can be given false spiritual messages. There are counterfeit spirits just as there are counterfeit angels. Be careful lest you be deceived, for the devil may come disguised as an angel of light.

The spiritual part of us and the emotional part of us are so closely linked that it is possible to mistake an emotional impulse for something spiritual. We occasionally find people who receive what they assume to be spiritual promptings from God, when those promptings are either centered in the emotions or are from the adversary."

He is basically admitting there is no way to be sure.