Buffalo wrote:The Book of Mormon most definitely says it - the land was kept hidden from all other peoples, as a choice and chosen land.
"Anti-mormon strawman" is actually "official Mormon doctrine."
Nope.... Cherry picking statements that only support your negative position IS NOT all the Book of Mormon has to say on the matter. Anti-mormons do the same thing to the Bible creating theology's that ignore other important statements in the Bible which debunk such a "literal" interpretation.
The same statement is said in the Bible a time or two, yet each time there WERE other people living there, and around them.
See folks, this is a good example of how anti-mormons lie. They cherry pick whatever claim, be it something in scripture, something some leader said, and then build their strawman that they then attack. Problem is, while they are doing that, they IGNORE the context of the issue itself, either the surrounding context, or the context of the subject itself, i.e. ALL that has been said or relates to the issue.
The Book of Mormon is full of examples of "others" being there. The population growth of the peoples is just a beginning fact as to that point. But there are other examples, various peoples mentioned, etc. etc. Read up and learn some actual truth, I'm not going to do your work for you.
I believe we do learn actual truth. We rely on what is actually there, and not the work of a Nineteenth Century fantasist, fabulist and bigamist.
Here is a pretty definitive statement by a living General Authority of the LDS Church regarding the absence of habitation in the New World after the flood and before the arrival of the Jaredites and the Nephites.
Jeffrey Holland in the Ensign in 1976:
Holy scripture records that “after the waters had receded from off the face of this land it became a choice land above all other lands, a chosen land of the Lord; wherefore the Lord would have that all men should serve him who dwell upon the face thereof.” (Ether 13:2.)
Such a special place needed now to be kept apart from other regions, free from the indiscriminate traveler as well as the soldier of fortune.
To guarantee such sanctity the very surface of the earth was rent. In response to God’s decree, the great continents separated and the ocean rushed in to surround them.
The promised place was set apart. Without habitation it waited for the fulfillment of God’s special purposes.
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Buffalo wrote:The Book of Mormon most definitely says it - the land was kept hidden from all other peoples, as a choice and chosen land.
"Anti-mormon strawman" is actually "official Mormon doctrine."
Nope.... Cherry picking statements that only support your negative position IS NOT all the Book of Mormon has to say on the matter. Anti-mormons do the same thing to the Bible creating theology's that ignore other important statements in the Bible which debunk such a "literal" interpretation.
The same statement is said in the Bible a time or two, yet each time there WERE other people living there, and around them.
See folks, this is a good example of how anti-mormons lie. They cherry pick whatever claim, be it something in scripture, something some leader said, and then build their strawman that they then attack. Problem is, while they are doing that, they IGNORE the context of the issue itself, either the surrounding context, or the context of the subject itself, i.e. ALL that has been said or relates to the issue.
The Book of Mormon is full of examples of "others" being there. The population growth of the peoples is just a beginning fact as to that point. But there are other examples, various peoples mentioned, etc. etc. Read up and learn some actual truth, I'm not going to do your work for you.
Apostates like yourself hate it when people actually quote from the Book of Mormon. But go ahead and post where the Book of Mormon mentions "others." The unrealistic population growth is not evidence of "others" but evidence of Joseph Smith's math deficiency.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
ldsfaqs wrote: Mormons are truth seekers from where-ever the truth may come. We are FAR from hard-line partisans. Further, being a partisan does mean you have a bias, but that doesn't mean all partisans aren't able to put aside that bias to get at the whole and complete truth.
Your all's views tell me you study very little of actual LDS scholarship. Because if you did, you would know we tackle ALL SIDES of an issue to get at the actual truth. Yet, every anti-mormon tomb does what was just done above. Quote-mines then ignores everything else on the subject, and then proceeds to judge.
You people don't get it, I'm a former anti-mormon who left the Church. I know EVERYTHING you do and why you do it, and how you think it. You can pretend you're intellectually superior, but I actually know you're not.
There is no LDS scholarship. There is Mormon studies, but the secular critics are leading it.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
Here is a pretty definitive statement by a living General Authority of the LDS Church regarding the absence of habitation in the New World after the flood and before the arrival of the Jaredites and the Nephites.
Jeffrey Holland in the Ensign in 1976:
Holy scripture records that “after the waters had receded from off the face of this land it became a choice land above all other lands, a chosen land of the Lord; wherefore the Lord would have that all men should serve him who dwell upon the face thereof.” (Ether 13:2.)
Such a special place needed now to be kept apart from other regions, free from the indiscriminate traveler as well as the soldier of fortune.
To guarantee such sanctity the very surface of the earth was rent. In response to God’s decree, the great continents separated and the ocean rushed in to surround them.
The promised place was set apart. Without habitation it waited for the fulfillment of God’s special purposes.
Don't you know? Only Anti-Mormons take Mormon scripture and Mormon apostles as authoritative. REAL Mormons only listen to the unordained apologists from the Maxwell Institute.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.