Because the earth is only 10,000 years old and as Jeffrey R Holland has already told us - the American continent wasn't formed until after the great Flood which took place circa 4,000 years ago. Right?
not right
So all the bears I listed and all the horses you listed were either on the ark or have evolved from animals on the ark and have done so in a mere 4,000 years. Correct?
incorrect But it should be noted that the horses i did list have evolved in a mere 500 years.
Buffalo wrote:Untrue. They were hunted to extinction by humans. It's no mystery.
this is one of those "theories" i wrote of...please, share your citation or concede your post as being "gossip".
And I think you'll find your horse breeds came about so quickly via human intervention.
i never said it was not. Is human intervention not allowed? after all Noah definitely would count as "intervening". it is irrelevant and intellectually inept to assume that 10,000 years be allowed to pass with no influence by humans....what about the influence of agriculture, war, nuclear, hunting, etc....to discount human, or any other environmental influence, is ridiculous and likely proves that you may not capable of grasping the concepts at hand.
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I highly doubt that humans had a hand in breeding bears. Is there evidence that shows they did? Did they also breed insects?
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just me wrote:I highly doubt that humans had a hand in breeding bears. Is there evidence that shows they did? Did they also breed insects?
is there evidence to show that they did not? Whether it be by human or by other means is irrelevant. The point is that just one element can create many "subspecies"...just consider the Galapagos. Sure the obvious influence on the horse in North America was likely human intervention...but are humans not a valid part of the environment? To assume that we can not consider human influence on the environment is absurd. Besides, if human intervention over 500 years can diversify horses to that extent then likely 5,000 years of "unknown" influence and/or influences is likely to create many different bears.
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Buffalo wrote:Untrue. They were hunted to extinction by humans. It's no mystery.
this is one of those "theories" i wrote of...please, share your citation or concede your post as being "gossip".
See the Michael Coe interview on Mormon Stories.
it is irrelevant and intellectually inept to assume that 10,000 years be allowed to pass with no influence by humans....what about the influence of agriculture, war, nuclear, hunting, etc....to discount human, or any other environmental influence, is ridiculous and likely proves that you may not capable of grasping the concepts at hand.
Specifically breeding animals for different traits is a much faster process than natural selection. Surely you can grasp the difference.
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Clearly you are once again resorting to personal attacks instead of having a rational conversation.
It's pretty easy to find the breeding history of any of the horses you named in your earlier post (you can Google that just like any of your other arguments).
They all came from horses imported to the Americas in post Colombian times.
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just me wrote:I highly doubt that humans had a hand in breeding bears. Is there evidence that shows they did? Did they also breed insects?
is there evidence to show that they did not? Whether it be by human or by other means is irrelevant. The point is that just one element can create many "subspecies"...just consider the Galapagos. Sure the obvious influence on the horse in North America was likely human intervention...but are humans not a valid part of the environment? To assume that we can not consider human influence on the environment is absurd. Besides, if human intervention over 500 years can diversify horses to that extent then likely 5,000 years of "unknown" influence and/or influences is likely to create many different bears.
SubG, it seems that there are about a million different insect species known in the world today.
You are very certain that everyone else is 'failing to grasp' the knowledge of how we are at that number, be it that Noah crated all of these little buggers up in mini cages or that there was an unexplained super-cross-breeding campaign at breakneck speed 'post-flood' that you're not letting on about.
subgenius wrote:yes it is, but i am sure we use the word "amazing" differently.
Let us first ignore your post's inadequate understanding of what a "subspecies" is, what morphology is ,and even what basic evolution is; and concentrate on more interesting notions it may have inadvertently brought about: for example - Horses (Equus) mysteriously disappeared from the North and South American continents about 10,000 years ago...no one knows why, and several unproven theories are adrift about such a strange occurrence. Essentially no horse in the western hemisphere. They did not show up until the Spaniards brought them over in the 16th century. And now in the course of about 5 centuries there are over 25 breeds in North America.
American Curly American Cream American Saddlebred Buckskin (color breed) Canadian Horse Canadian Sport Colorado Ranger Horse Florida Cracker Horse Kentucky Mountain McCurdy Plantation Missouri Fox Trotter Morab Horse Morgan Horse Mountain Pleasure Moyle Narragansett Pacer National Show Horse Paso Fino Palomino (color breed) Quarter Horse Racking Horse Single-footed Sport Horse Spotted Saddle Standardbred Tennessee Walking Horse
That is a lot of breeds for just 500 years (5% of 10k), wonder how many will be around in 10,000 years? If anything it may be "amazing" that your bear list is rather short. Cattle was also introduced in the 16th century to North America, and the list of those breeds is way too long to post here.
First you are bringing up breeds of horses and cattle, not species or subspecies. Second you are incorrect that all the breeds you mention come from one breed over the last 500 years. Also drifting uses all the different species and subspecies of bear we have to day. Most if not all of them would have originated long before Noah, so he would have had to bring them all with him.