Franktalk wrote:Many encounters with spirits and miracles happen but not enough to tip the balance.
Please can you go through some recent examples?
Sure I can. As you are aware the earth has been stable for some time. This is due to supernatural control over the forces of nature that have been set with boundries to provide a stable (stasis) for the earth while it waits for destruction by fire. The recent establishment of Israel is an event that was caused by supernatural intervention. Last but not least we have the human genome which is falling apart but stable enough by its design to last until the end of the earth. The design of the human body and its decay are due to supernatural intervention and the evidence of this decay is available for you to examine. Now in keeping with the balance between belief and disbelief you can either agree with my examples or not. Very simple actually.
Franktalk wrote:.... Last but not least we have the human genome which is falling apart but stable enough by its design to last until the end of the earth. ....
I know I've asked this before and I mean it will all due respect, but where do you get this stuff?!
Franktalk wrote:.... Last but not least we have the human genome which is falling apart but stable enough by its design to last until the end of the earth. ....
I know I've asked this before and I mean it will all due respect, but where do you get this stuff?!
Why is this so hard to believe? The data has been around for a while. Many just seem to ignore it.
"Finally, a consideration of the long-term consequences of current human behavior for deleterious-mutation accumulation leads to the conclusion that a substantial reduction in human fitness can be expected over the next few centuries in industrialized societies unless novel means of genetic intervention are developed. "
As you can see the source for this idea of decay comes a reliable source. Now you may discount the entire idea as most do. Because it can't be true because it does not agree with what you already know to be true. So do you do the research and seek data or do you stay with your belief?
Morley wrote:I know I've asked this before and I mean it will all due respect, but where do you get this stuff?!
He mostly makes it up or picks it up from other muddle headed people like himself. You see, Franktalk thinks that if some fuzzy thought occurs to him and gives him a twinkly feeling then it is just true and he has experienced revelation. However, I can say with a considerable amount of certainty that he and Sheryl are both wrong about almost everything they say in so far as it means anything at all---and much of it doesn't mean anything at all so it isn't even wrong! To be at least wrong would be a step up in that case.
I have a feeling our two new agers are typing from inside the same house if not from within the same body.
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I am pretty sure at one point they admitted to being husband and wife...... I would have to dig for it in some old threads but I kind of remember it. --EDIT-- Ok it has been so long that I would really have to dig, but I kind of remember someone saying they were Frank's wife. Or maybe she was just calling him dear all of the time, and indicates they often participates in threads together?
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Franktalk wrote:Why is this so hard to believe? The data has been around for a while. Many just seem to ignore it.
"Finally, a consideration of the long-term consequences of current human behavior for deleterious-mutation accumulation leads to the conclusion that a substantial reduction in human fitness can be expected over the next few centuries in industrialized societies unless novel means of genetic intervention are developed. "
As you can see the source for this idea of decay comes a reliable source. Now you may discount the entire idea as most do. Because it can't be true because it does not agree with what you already know to be true. So do you do the research and seek data or do you stay with your belief?
Frank. I read this paper the last time you posted a link to it. This portion of an abstract:
Michael Lynch’s paper wrote:Finally, a consideration of the long-term consequences of current human behavior for deleterious-mutation accumulation leads to the conclusion that a substantial reduction in human fitness can be expected over the next few centuries in industrialized societies unless novel means of genetic intervention are developed.
Does not say—or even logically lead to this conclusion:
Franktalk wrote:…we have the human genome which is falling apart but stable enough by its design to last until the end of the earth. The design of the human body and its decay are due to supernatural intervention….
Neither does anything else in the paper. Your paper doesn’t report what you seem to think it does.
Protip for faking knowledge of research methodology: "Data" is plural. You need to say "The data have been around for a while." I use it all the time and have fooled people into thinking I have a wondrously gigantic brain.
SteelHead wrote:I am pretty sure at one point they admitted to being husband and wife...... I would have to dig for it in some old threads but I kind of remember it. --EDIT-- Ok it has been so long that I would really have to dig, but I kind of remember someone saying they were Frank's wife. Or maybe she was just calling him dear all of the time, and indicates they often participates in threads together?
I think Frank's wife is 'Jo1952' or something like that. They're lucky to have each other. I'm saying that sincerely.
Yes the quote I provided is somewhat fuzzy about the details. I posted this one on purpose to see if you would check out more sources or take the easy way and object to my use of the material. I know there is nothing I can quote from to change your mind and you will believe what you will believe until something happens to upset what you view as your stable ground. I have dealt with hundreds just like you and will continue to have nearly meaningless conversations with many in the future. My only hope is that some day a fense sitter will happen by and take a spirit filled life serious.
Yes the quote I provided is somewhat fuzzy about the details. I posted this one on purpose to see if you would check out more sources or take the easy way and object to my use of the material. I know there is nothing I can quote from to change your mind and you will believe what you will believe until something happens to upset what you view as your stable ground. I have dealt with hundreds just like you and will continue to have nearly meaningless conversations with many in the future. My only hope is that some day a fense sitter will happen by and take a spirit filled life serious.
Do I have this right, Frank: You purposefully posted a bad argument in the hope that I'd go looking for a better argument that would make your point for you?
Morley wrote:Do I have this right, Frank: You purposefully posted a bad argument in the hope that I'd go looking for a better argument that would make your point for you?
Does this even make sense?
You have it right and it does make sense. But not to you. Instead of diving in and trying to find a new idea you instead circled the wagons to protect what you know to be true. I on the other hand know very little and am always looking for new ideas.