Rationalizing

Post by **_Runtu** » Wed Jan 18, 2012 5:32 am

I hear people criticizing apostates for having "rationalized" their way out of the LDS church. The theory goes that, because we wanted out for some reason, we picked some alleged problem, blew it out of proportion, and then used that as an excuse to leave. Of course, I don't know anyone who has left the church who has done that, but I'm sure someone has done that.

But it occurs to me that the people who are doing the rationalizing and the excuse-making are the ones who are defending the church, not the apostates. My wife once asked me how I could be so sure the church wasn't true. I told her it was simple. When I was a believer, I had a big "shelf" of issues that I knew didn't add up or needed some extreme rationalizing to work out. When I finally acknowledged that the answer that made most sense was that the church wasn't true, the shelf disappeared, and I no longer had to make any excuses for the church.

I didn't have to insist that the Book of Mormon is a history of ancient Americans, when I know very well it didn't fit in any location at any time in the Americas.

No more trying to explain how God commanded Joseph Smith to sleep with single and married women behind Emma's back.

No insisting that Adam was the first human at the same time humans had existed for millions of years.

No pretending the Book of Abraham has anything to do with either the papyri or the actual history of Abraham.

No insisting that God cares about skin color or race or that the priesthood ban was somehow not racist, just as the prophets' and apostles' racist statements were not racist.

No rationalizing seer stones, rods, Masonic rituals, blood atonement, Adam-God, Zelph, "More Good," Kolob, plates (golden, Kinderhook, and otherwise), talking deer, and on and on into absurdity.

Truth doesn't need rationalizing, and it doesn't require excuses. I prayed a few years back to know if the Book of Mormon really was true, and I received a clear answer: I do not have to believe in that which isn't true.

And I don't have to make excuses for it, either.

Post by **_bcspace** » Wed Jan 18, 2012 6:58 am

Truth doesn't need rationalizing, and it doesn't require excuses.

Amen. That is why I am TBM.

Post by **_moksha** » Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:07 am

If critics insist on being rational that is their problem. It is much easier for me to continue believing.

Post by **_ludwigm** » Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:55 am

bcspace wrote:
Truth doesn't need rationalizing, and it doesn't require excuses.

Amen. That is why I am TBM.

And that is why I am not.

The world works this way.
One's holy cow is another's McSomething.

Post by **_Runtu** » Wed Jan 18, 2012 1:41 pm

ludwigm wrote:And that is why I am not.

Yep, the rationalizing I did took a heavy toll on my psyche. No more.

Post by **_subgenius** » Wed Jan 18, 2012 4:05 pm

Runtu wrote:I....And I don't have to make excuses for it, either.

and yet, here you are

Post by **_Runtu** » Wed Jan 18, 2012 4:35 pm

subgenius wrote:and yet, here you are

I make no excuses. I'm here because I enjoying discussing something that is a huge part of my life. Is there something wrong with that? I don't think so.

Post by **_Buffalo** » Wed Jan 18, 2012 4:52 pm

All believing Mormons who are exposed to PR-free Mormon history must undergo a great deal of rationalization to maintain faith. Some are better at it than others.

Post by **_Tarski** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 4:55 am

bcspace wrote:
"Truth doesn't need rationalizing, and it doesn't require excuses."

Amen. That is why I am TBM.

This from you?????????
ROTFLMAO

Tell us again your story about no death in the world before the fall of Adam.

No that's not rationalizing. No uh uh.

Post by **_UnicornMan** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 5:21 am

I have to confess, there is SOME truth in the idea that you don't' like something so you rationalize excuses so you don't have to walk the Mormon talk anymore. I find it a hard religion to live -- not the commandments (WoW, Chastity, etcetera) but the drain on finances, and time doing things that often don't result in anything productive.

There are times I sort of which there was unequivocal evidence (in my view, not much evidence is unequivocal when in the domain of religion) that it wasn't true so I could cross Mormonism off the list, and find something that is less difficult to live. Something inside won't let me, even though I'm partly disaffected...

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