Horse and Chariots--Another Apologist Red Herring

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Nephites gather with horses and chariots, 3 Ne. 3:22
22 And it came to pass in the seventeenth year, in the latter end of the year, the proclamation of Lachoneus had gone forth throughout all the face of the land, and they had taken their horses, and their chariots, and their cattle, and all their flocks, and their herds, and their grain, and all their substance, and did march forth by thousands and by tens of thousands, until they had all gone forth to the place which chad been appointed that they should gather themselves together, to defend themselves against their enemies.

This passage is a good illustration of why "battle animals" and litters don't work. The passages about Lamoni could possibly be construed that way, though it's unlikely. But here we have the chief judge, Lachoneus, gathering his people together for defense. These "battle animals," or ceremonial representations of animals associated with the king's supposed character traits and abilities, don't work so well with a chief judge and an allegedly proto-Christian people gathering in self-defense.

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ahem..."obviously some guy found some horse teeth and liked them and then they found their way over here....in some place with pottery...but at a different depth...cause that is what those people would do...yep, i am scientist, that is probably what happened, no need to even bother with dating that, i have already figured it out...you see it does not "fit" with my pre-conceived notion,sooooo...obviously the teeth were a souvenir...blah blah blah"

I would appreciate someone referencing any finds of horse teeth, or horse skeletal remains from North, Central or South America, that are dated anytime between 12000 years ago (last ice age) up to European contact.

Surely someone has a post on the internet???

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OK, I'll broaden the search. This goes out to anyone who reads this posting.

I'm looking for any tooth, bone fragment or skeltal remains of any horse related animal existent in North or South America betwwen the last ice age and the first European conquests. Just reference either an internet site or Science magazine edition or any peer reviewed editorial that claims horse remains.

Hell, I'll even accept scat remains if they can be dated.

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Youns wants to see my fozzilized scat collection?

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OK, I'll broaden the search. This goes out to anyone who reads this posting.

I'm looking for any tooth, bone fragment or skeltal remains of any horse related animal existent in North or South America betwwen the last ice age and the first European conquests. Just reference either an internet site or Science magazine edition or any peer reviewed editorial that claims horse remains.

Hell, I'll even accept scat remains if they can be dated.

There is nothing published yet, but I suspect your stated assumption is going to proven false. There is no good reason to state all the horses in NA died out 10,000 years ago. In fact, there is a lot of tangential evidence to suggest this was not the case at all and early finds of buried horse remains were destroyed or not tested because it was assumed that horses arrived after Columbus. However, I think within the next decade the assumption that there were no horses in NA will fall like all bad assumptions. When and if it does, will you become a Mormon bcuzbcuz?
http://philosophiesofmen.blogspot.com/2012/01/pre-columbian-horses.html

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OK, I'll broaden the search. This goes out to anyone who reads this posting.

I'm looking for any tooth, bone fragment or skeltal remains of any horse related animal existent in North or South America betwwen the last ice age and the first European conquests. Just reference either an internet site or Science magazine edition or any peer reviewed editorial that claims horse remains.

Hell, I'll even accept scat remains if they can be dated.

There is nothing published yet, but I suspect your stated assumption is going to proven false. There is no good reason to state all the horses in NA died out 10,000 years ago. In fact, there is a lot of tangential evidence to suggest this was not the case at all and early finds of buried horse remains were destroyed or not tested because it was assumed that horses arrived after Columbus. However, I think within the next decade the assumption that there were no horses in NA will fall like all bad assumptions. When and if it does, will you become a Mormon bcuzbcuz?
http://philosophiesofmen.blogspot.com/2012/01/pre-columbian-horses.html

There's also good evidence that the pyramids were built by ancient aliens.

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There is nothing published yet, but I suspect your stated assumption is going to proven false. There is no good reason to state all the horses in NA died out 10,000 years ago. In fact, there is a lot of tangential evidence to suggest this was not the case at all and early finds of buried horse remains were destroyed or not tested because it was assumed that horses arrived after Columbus. However, I think within the next decade the assumption that there were no horses in NA will fall like all bad assumptions. When and if it does, will you become a Mormon bcuzbcuz?
http://philosophiesofmen.blogspot.com/2012/01/pre-columbian-horses.html

It may possibly be shown that the horse did not go extinct around 8-10k years ago in the Americas, but it is interesting that you only point to a link that gives no evidence and is an apologetic site.

by the way the scientific community did not assume the horse went extinct. It was the evidence that lead them this way and has not changed to date. Accusing them of assumptions here is a dishonest apologetic from places like fair and farms.

Also, finding horses add not evidence for the Book of Mormon, but gets rid a one piece of evidence against(and not even one of the more important ones). Now finding brass plates written in Hebrew or Egyptian with the Law of Moses on them down in Meso-America would provide a huge piece of evidence for the Book of Mormon.