Horse and Chariots--Another Apologist Red Herring

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Tobin wrote:... I view the Clovis technique (or technology), introduced 13,000 years ago, of flaking of pieces of material to forms spear (or much later arrowheads) as something entirely seperate from the Clovis people themselves.

I think that you're confusing knapping with what you call 'the Clovis technique.'
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Morley wrote:
Tobin wrote:... I view the Clovis technique (or technology), introduced 13,000 years ago, of flaking of pieces of material to forms spear (or much later arrowheads) as something entirely seperate from the Clovis people themselves.

I think that you're confusing knapping with what you call 'the Clovis technique.'

I'm not the only one that has used that term, so if there is confusion it is not my fault. Here is a forum discussing 'clovis technology': http://paleoplanet69529.yuku.com/topic/4103/Clovis-Techology-Rick
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Tobin wrote:
Morley wrote:I think that you're confusing knapping with what you call 'the Clovis technique.'

I'm not the only one that has used that term, so if there is confusion it is not my fault. Here is a forum discussing 'clovis technology': http://paleoplanet69529.yuku.com/topic/4103/Clovis-Techology-Rick

The site to which you link discusses Clovis technology as a subset of flint knapping; the entries I read don't demonstrate that they share your confusion. Later Native American arrowheads are an example of knapping but not of Clovis-style knapping.
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Morley wrote:The site to which you link discusses Clovis technology as a subset of flint knapping; the entries I read don't demonstrate that they share your confusion. Later Native American arrowheads are an example of knapping but not of Clovis-style knapping.
I was not aware of that they were very different. I thought that they shared many of the same techniques. There is also a book titled Clovis Technology and video series entitled Clovis Technlogy Nub Theory discussing how these things were made. For example, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFIgqThVVEs is the first in the series. However, I have never done it myself and wouldn't be able to tell you the differences or similarities between making Clovis points and common arrowheads.
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Tobin wrote:I'm still waiting on a CFR on the actual date it was placed there and by exactly who. Otherwise, this is just supposition. Why? Statment: It isn't as discolored as as other petroglyphs so it isn't as old. Counter: It isn't as discolored because it isn't as exposed to the elements and could be just as old. I would like to see the research that the discoloration of a petroglyph is a legitimate way to date a petroglyph and what methodology was used to determine that.


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Tobin wrote:
Morley wrote:The site to which you link discusses Clovis technology as a subset of flint knapping; the entries I read don't demonstrate that they share your confusion. Later Native American arrowheads are an example of knapping but not of Clovis-style knapping.
I was not aware of that they were very different. I thought that they shared many of the same techniques. There is also a book titled Clovis Technology and video series entitled Clovis Technlogy Nub Theory discussing how these things were made. For example, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFIgqThVVEs is the first in the series. However, I have never done it myself and wouldn't be able to tell you the differences or similarities between making Clovis points and common arrowheads.


You have, indeed, made that clear. Perhaps you owe Quasi an apology.
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Morley wrote:You have, indeed, made that clear. Perhaps you owe Quasi an apology.
It won't do any good. He's already made it very clear what he thinks of me in other posts. But, I'm happy to acknowledge my mistake about Clovis points and arrowheads being the same and apologize. He was correct about the Clovis points being somewhat different.
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