The LDS members and the Kingdom of God

[_Roger Morrison]

Want to say to Drifting & Themis, that I enjoy & generally agree with your current posts! Rational, practical, (common sense)... Unfortunately the Old Testament Bible writings, from the dark ages, still influence those steeped in living by faith in the wrong things. . .
Enough already! Keep your good dialog going guys!
Enjoy today!
Roger

[_Roger Morrison]

BACK AGAIN FRANK! WENT FOR A WALK. CLEARED MY MIND, SORT-OF...
Now I am really looking forward to your answers to my questions Please don't use 'scriptures' to justify yourself.
Just a straight answers. . .
Roger

Have a good night. Maybe in time we will chat.

Thanks Frank. Back home to Canada, from sunny Florida. . . Won't miss the political harangues
I do hope in time to hear from you. Trusting life will be good to you & yours...
Warmest regards, Roger

[_Franktalk]

I don't remain stuck in my physical senses. I choose to use my physical senses and believe what they tell me because that is what suits me best.
I don't lose most of my existence because I deny the spirit. In fact, discounting the spirit has led to a far more fulfilling existence for me and the people around me. But that is because that type of existence suits me personally the best.

You can not see the air but you can see the effects of the air acting on other things you can see. So you already believe in the unseen. You trust that a picture from the Hubble telescope actually is showing you some distant object. Your senses can not see distant objects yet you believe. It is no different with me. I see the effects of God all over the place. To me it is obvious that there is a God and I know Him today because I believed. You do not believe because you choose not to see. Your eyes see everything my eyes see yet you do not see.

Isaiah 44:15-19

15Then shall it be for a man to burn: for he will take thereof, and warm himself; yea, he kindleth it, and baketh bread; yea, he maketh a god, and worshippeth it; he maketh it a graven image, and falleth down thereto.
16He burneth part thereof in the fire; with part thereof he eateth flesh; he roasteth roast, and is satisfied: yea, he warmeth himself, and saith, Aha, I am warm, I have seen the fire:
17And the residue thereof he maketh a god, even his graven image: he falleth down unto it, and worshippeth it, and prayeth unto it, and saith, Deliver me; for thou art my god.
18They have not known nor understood: for he hath shut their eyes, that they cannot see; and their hearts, that they cannot understand.
19And none considereth in his heart, neither is there knowledge nor understanding to say, I have burned part of it in the fire; yea, also I have baked bread upon the coals thereof; I have roasted flesh, and eaten it: and shall I make the residue thereof an abomination? shall I fall down to the stock of a tree?

Such is the way of the world. Find something in the creation and worship before it.

[_Themis]

You can not see the air but you can see the effects of the air acting on other things you can see. So you already believe in the unseen.

Actually sight is only one of the physical senses you have. You can expereince air with your sense of feel. You can also see air in the form of dust devils, etc.

You trust that a picture from the Hubble telescope actually is showing you some distant object. Your senses can not see distant objects yet you believe. It is no different with me.

There is a world of difference. With the picture from the Hubble telescope, you can look at all kinds of things, measurements, physics to confirm something probably does exist. The biggest difference is it is available to everyone to confirm for themselves if they wish to do so.

[_Franktalk]

Actually sight is only one of the physical senses you have. You can expereince air with your sense of feel. You can also see air in the form of dust devils, etc.

I wonder why they call then dust devils since we see the air and not the dust? Or maybe just maybe we can see the dust.

[_Franktalk]

I am confused and maybe one of you people who worship the world can help me out. When Darwin argued that the dust of the earth self organized are we to worship Darwin because he came up with the idea or are we to worship the dust?

/sarc

[_Drifting]

I am confused and maybe one of you people who worship the world can help me out. When Darwin argued that the dust of the earth self organized are we to worship Darwin because he came up with the idea or are we to worship the dust?

/sarc

Hi Frank,

I think you are putting words in people's mouths.
I don't worship the world, I appreciate it. I enjoy it and I experience it.
I don't disbelieve God, I just don't understand what God is and I'm okay with that. Trying to understand God just didn't lead me to anything productive. He seems only to exist in the hearts and minds of followers and those followers do no more good in the world around them than the most ardent athests.
God does not impact this world, except through your mind. And your mind dictates what God wants based on what suits you personally best. There is no independence. God hasn't made you do something you didn't already want to do. God hasn't made you think or believe something you didn't already think or believe. So you determine what God is which is why He is different things to different people. In effect, God is made in your image, not the other way round.

[_Themis]

I wonder why they call then dust devils since we see the air and not the dust? Or maybe just maybe we can see the dust.

I guess it depends on how you want to define air. If we forget about solid objects that are part of air we can still feel air. WE can hear the movement of air. We don't need to believe air exists based on what other claims, or what we may feel inside.

I am confused and maybe one of you people who worship the world can help me out.

I am not aware of any who worship the world. You have a very incorrect and very black and white way of viewing others who may not hold to some of your beliefs.

When Darwin argued that the dust of the earth self organized are we to worship Darwin because he came up with the idea or are we to worship the dust?

Although I doubt you actually know what Darwin argued, I am also not aware of any who worship him. You might trying opening your mind once in a while.

[_Franktalk]

In effect, God is made in your image, not the other way round.

You can deny all you want. You can twist a belief of God into some foolish idea. You can sit at the table with all of the others who agree with you. Yes you can wrap yourself in the comfort of your beliefs. And when the time comes and you really need someone I hope and pray they don't believe as you do. I pray they don't think that since you are damaged that the effort to comfort you is a waste of time. After all what is in it for them? I hope they don't deny you health care because you are old and of no value anymore. I hope they don't unplug the machine which keeps you alive and you watch your life slip away. After all we have no worth at all. After we have contributed to society and now become a burden why should we expect society to use its precious resources to sustain you. Your usefulness has come to an end and you will cease to exist in short order anyway.

[_ludwigm]

With the picture from the Hubble telescope, you can look at all kinds of things, measurements, physics to confirm something probably does exist. The biggest difference is it is available to everyone to confirm for themselves if they wish to do so.

...if they wish to do so


"My dear Kepler, I wish that we might laugh at the remarkable stupidity of the common herd. What do you have to say about the principal philosophers of this academy who are filled with the stubbornness of an asp and do not want to look at either the planets, the moon or the telescope, even though I have freely and deliberately offered them the opportunity a thousand times? Truly, just as the asp stops its ears, so do these philosophers shut their eyes to the light of truth."
Galileo Galilei



That stupid common herd is haunting around here.