Blasphemy or Biblical?

[_gdemetz]

There is a simple way to find out if the Book of Mormon is true or not, or if we can really become gods or not, as the Bible teaches, or anything else regarding the gospel, and that is to seriously take Moroni's challenge as millions have already done.

[_moksha]

George, what if the "becoming Gods" idea was only speculation?

[_Themis]

There is a simple way to find out if the Book of Mormon is true or not, or if we can really become gods or not, as the Bible teaches, or anything else regarding the gospel, and that is to seriously take Moroni's challenge as millions have already done.

You already quoted the idea that a adulterous generation seeketh after a sign, yet this is what Moroni's promise is asking one to do.

[_gdemetz]

Not exactly, Moroni is stating that one can actually find out for themselves by having the faith to reach out as opposed to someone just giving a sign to them for nothing. As far as speculation is concerned, I believe that it is much more than that since the verse which I previously quoted, Revelation 3:21, to me clearly implies the throne of godhood. and is supported by other statements from the Bible such as the ones that state that we could become joint heirs with Christ, and also is consistent with the other statements I quoted stating we are gods. One interesting thing about this is that there is no mention of this teaching in the Book of Mormon, but there are many such statements in the Bible!

[_Themis]

Not exactly, Moroni is stating that one can actually find out for themselves by having the faith to reach out as opposed to someone just giving a sign to them for nothing.

Your quote says seeketh, which means they do have to do something. It's just that seeking other signs are somehow evil. It is still sign seeking though. The church wants one to go with what I think their bodies are more then capable of producing on their own. This is very common among many religions and con-men.

One interesting thing about this is that there is no mention of this teaching in the Book of Mormon, but there are many such statements in the Bible!

The Bible can be interpreted many ways. I agree that the Book of Mormon does not bring it up, which is interesting in that this idea was not part of Joseph's religion when the Book of Mormon came about.

[_gdemetz]

Yes, that's true, but they were just seeking, or looking for a handout, when Christ wanted them to exercise faith.

[_Themis]

Yes, that's true, but they were just seeking, or looking for a handout, when Christ wanted them to exercise faith.

Why should I have faith in christian claims over say hindu claims. Why is it wrong to ask for real evidence or signs before believing, and why would the HG/internal experiences generated by the body take precedent over more objective evidence available?

[_gdemetz]

That is a very good question, and if I had not had that almost unbelievable experience in the LSU library myself which I previously mentioned, I would have wondered more about that myself. However, I will state that Christ's promise is true; that if one will seek (with all of his heart and mind) he will find.

[_Themis]

That is a very good question, and if I had not had that almost unbelievable experience in the LSU library myself which I previously mentioned, I would have wondered more about that myself. However, I will state that Christ's promise is true; that if one will seek (with all of his heart and mind) he will find.

Many of us have already been there. I think your experience is more likely of your own creation, although I know most don't like the idea, so will not consider it seriously. The evidence against Joseph's claims are, in my opinion, just to many, especially with things like the Book of Abraham. This is why so many are changing their beliefs about the church core truth claims.

[_gdemetz]

I will respect whatever personal decision that you make regarding all this. I would only say that sometimes things don't always appear to be what they seem. For example, consider how the prophet Abraham was instructed by the Lord to tell pharaoh that Sarah (Abraham's wife) was his (Abraham's) sister! Later, pharaoh found out that Sarah was really his wife. At that time, not knowing all the circumstances, that Abraham was a true prophet of the Lord, and that the Lord instructed Abraham to say that Sarah was his sister, what do you suppose that pharaoh thought? I doubt seriously that pharaoh could have been convinced at that time that Abraham was a true prophet. Most people would have believed that he was a liar, and maybe even a false prophet! A true prophet is always rejected by most of the people of his time. I would only suggest that you sincerely pray about any decision that you make regarding these important matters.