Blasphemy or Biblical?

[_Themis]

That reminds me of certain doctors who try to tell people who have had OBE's that it was just something their minds produced. However, if they would have actually had the experience, they would have known otherwise.

Are you sure everyone who has had one interprets them the way you are? The problem again is that no one knows what all the body is capable of, so we should not ignore that possibility.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out-of-body_experience

[_subgenius]

Are you sure everyone who has had one interprets them the way you are? The problem again is that no one knows what all the body is capable of, so we should not ignore that possibility.-

there is no "problem".
seemingly you have "faith" that one day a physiological explanation will sufficiently prove to be the cause....and yet all data that exists proves that physiological "experiences" are reactions....always.....so, the real question is what are the reacting to?

Your desire to diagnose religious folk with Todd's syndrome (aka-Alice in Wonderland Syndrome) is rather ridiculous.

[_Themis]

there is no "problem".
seemingly you have "faith" that one day a physiological explanation will sufficiently prove to be the cause....and yet all data that exists proves that physiological "experiences" are reactions....always.....so, the real question is what are the reacting to?

Your desire to diagnose religious folk with Todd's syndrome (aka-Alice in Wonderland Syndrome) is rather ridiculous.

The brain is very complex, and I doubt you know all that it is capable of. I would love that we have some spirit. You on the other hand are desperate to believe it. Reacting to what? Maybe you could elaborate on this. Everything we do can be reactions to other stimuli. Our brains react to stimuli from sight sound, taste, smell, chemicals that are in the brain. There is so much that it only shows your bias to exclude more natural causes. I will let the science continue.

[_Buffalo]

That reminds me of certain doctors who try to tell people who have had OBE's that it was just something their minds produced. However, if they would have actually had the experience, they would have known otherwise.

The heaven's gate cult was inspired by someone who had a near death experience.

Do you think that it's impossible for the body to produce a totally convincing OBE?

[_gdemetz]

I wouldn't say that it was impossible, but it is something which, to me, would be a very unrealistic possibility in the light of all of the personal testimonies that I have read.

[_subgenius]

The brain is very complex, and I doubt you know all that it is capable of.

but without any cause you believe that it is capable of so much more, why?
besides that, the real point is that the brain is rather inconsequential to the point at hand....you seem to be obsessed with the car, fascinated with the complexities of internal combustion engines, amazed at the simple beauty found in the design of a differential...all the while never realizing that there is a driver's seat.

I would love that we have some spirit. You on the other hand are desperate to believe it

Not desperate at all...and it is not something i believe...it is something known, and not even you can deny this simple truth. For with your concept of human existence being merely reduced to a skin bag full of chemical reactions it becomes absolutely impossible for you to choose "otherwise" - and on that notion i know "otherwise".

Reacting to what? Maybe you could elaborate on this.

the question was to you

Everything we do can be reactions to other stimuli. Our brains react to stimuli from sight sound, taste, smell, chemicals that are in the brain.

can be? the condition you describe can not allow for any other "reason" for what we do, or don't do. A reaction by definition requires stimuli......so.....

There is so much that it only shows your bias to exclude more natural causes. I will let the science continue.

knowledge of God and one's soul is not an exclusion of nature, they are, in fact, a part of nature itself.

[_Themis]

but without any cause you believe that it is capable of so much more, why?

The brain is capable of producing many types of expereinces. Everything you expereince has to go through it. The causes can be many, although if you could elaborate on what you mean by it that might help the discussion.

besides that, the real point is that the brain is rather inconsequential to the point at hand....you seem to be obsessed with the car, fascinated with the complexities of internal combustion engines, amazed at the simple beauty found in the design of a differential...all the while never realizing that there is a driver's seat.

Sorry but that does not work. You do not know what all the brain is capable of, so you don't know what has to be from outside the brain or body. The brain really is the driver.

Not desperate at all...and it is not something i believe...it is something known, and not even you can deny this simple truth.

And how do you know this, and yes anyone can deny it. People deny overwhelming evidence for an old earth or that a Global flood did not occur. I am not denying what you are saying, but then you have not presented anything to evaluate yet.

For with your concept of human existence being merely reduced to a skin bag full of chemical reactions it becomes absolutely impossible for you to choose "otherwise" - and on that notion i know "otherwise".

You are making false claims here, and you bring up more problems then you realize.

the question was to you

Maybe you could rephrase the question so we can understand what you are asking.

can be? the condition you describe can not allow for any other "reason" for what we do, or don't do. A reaction by definition requires stimuli......so.....

LOL You would be incorrect, but bringing in a spirit into it does not solve anything. Philosophers have been asking these questions for centuries, and still do today.

[_Buffalo]

For with your concept of human existence being merely reduced to a skin bag full of chemical reactions it becomes absolutely impossible for you to choose "otherwise" - and on that notion i know "otherwise".

I've never heard anyone voice this viewpoint except believers.

[_subgenius]

For with your concept of human existence being merely reduced to a skin bag full of chemical reactions it becomes absolutely impossible for you to choose "otherwise" - and on that notion i know "otherwise".

I've never heard anyone voice this viewpoint except believers.

that is because non-believers never really think things through.
The ability to "choose otherwise" can not exist under natural laws...it requires a belief in the supernatural, and a belief in the supernatural can not reasonably exclude the potential existence of the soul and God.

[_Buffalo]

I've never heard anyone voice this viewpoint except believers.

that is because non-believers never really think things through.
The ability to "choose otherwise" can not exist under natural laws...it requires a belief in the supernatural, and a belief in the supernatural can not reasonably exclude the potential existence of the soul and God.

Borderline retarded reasoning, with a healthy dose of ipse dixit and petitio principii.