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Themis, of course, one could consider Emma as a spiritual wife since she was also sealed to him for the next life, however, what I was referring to were the spiritual only wives, and he had no children by any of them. I know that one mother on her deathbed told her daughter that she was Joseph Smith's daughter, and that is basically all the evidence that the anti's have! As I said before, I believe that she meant that her daughter was sealed as his daughter. I have also seen something recently with regard to evidence that she may have been actually divorced, and if she was divorced and sealed to Joseph, then there wouldn't be a problem anyway. If you can't understand all the intricate things relating to modern revelations and scriptures, then I seriously doubt that you would have understood Christs teachings had you lived at that time also. I know that you believe that this is a man made religion, but do you know of any other church which even claims to have restored at least 20-30 important ingredients of the primitive church as part of the great restitution of all things which Peter spoke of?! Do you even know of any other church which offers the gift of the Holy Ghost by the laying on of hands as the apostles did in the primitive church?!?
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Drifting wrote:
gdemetz wrote:Yea, the only evidence is the statements such as the one Brigham Young made concerning the sealing of Joseph Smith for the hereafter, as well as performing that symbolic ordinance. On the other hand, there is the evidence of the mothers statement to her daughter that Joseph Smith was her father. I will keep an open mind, but I do wish that those DNA tests would be done.


No need. Smith loses either way.
If he had sex with the non virgins he married he breaks the commandment in D&C 132.
If he didn't have sex with the non virgins he married he breaks the commandment in D&C 132.
If he didn't have sex with the virgins he married he breaks the commandment in D&C 132.
If he did have sex with the virgins he married but they bore no children, God fails to deliver his part of the commandment in D&C 132.

Fail
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gdemetz, what is about my posts referencing D&C 132's actual words that frightens you away from discussion about it?
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.”
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Re: Stay Strong Saints

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He loses regardless ion your opinion because you don't really understand the scriptures or Mormon Doctrine.
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gdemetz wrote:He loses regardless ion your opinion because you don't really understand the scriptures or Mormon Doctrine.


So, using the actual words of D&C 132 and the actual actions of Joseph Smith, show me what it is that I don't understand.
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.”
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I did explain it to you, but you don't have the Spirit so you don't comprehend what I am saying! When Jesus said, let the dead bury the dead, if you were there, you would have really questioned Him about that. You would have no doubt been asking Him, how can a dead person bury another dead one?!
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gdemetz wrote:you don't have the Spirit so you don't comprehend what I am saying!



Agree.
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.”
Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric

"One, two, three...let's go shopping!"
Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
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Re: Stay Strong Saints

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gdemetz wrote:I did explain it to you, but you don't have the Spirit so you don't comprehend what I am saying! When Jesus said, let the dead bury the dead, if you were there, you would have really questioned Him about that. You would have no doubt been asking Him, how can a dead person bury another dead one?!



How do you know you have the spirit?
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.”
Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric

"One, two, three...let's go shopping!"
Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
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The same way that I know I drank water today.
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gdemetz wrote:The same way that I know I drank water today.



Excellent, I drank water today too so I must have the spirit. Right?
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.”
Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric

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Re: Stay Strong Saints

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How I wish that were true!
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