Glass & Steel in the Book of Mormon, why a problem?

[_Drifting]

I'm not listing them again. You can look them up if you wish.

And so we see...the cupboard was bare...

[_gdemetz]

All you have to do is look them up if you wish!

[_Drifting]

All you have to do is look them up if you wish!

All you have to do is list them IF you can...

[_gdemetz]

I told you already that I have listed them here and I am not listing them again!!!

[_Drifting]

I told you already that I have listed them here and I am not listing them again!!!

If you mean the nonsense you have spouted in this thread...
You got nuttin'

[_bcuzbcuz]

Come on guys, there are many others with PHD's who agree with me. Jewish history not accurate, and no evidence for an exodus from Egypt?! Now your prejudices are really showing! I would suggest that you check out these sites:

"Has the Exodus Really Been Disproven?"
"Archaeological Evidence for the Exodus"
"The Catholic Knight, Science and the Exodus"

There are many more.

For a while there I thought your postings, frequent and on basically every topic, were legitimate. When you responded to a question by me about polygamy I thought I got a truthful answer. But now, however, I am becoming more and more convinced that you are indeed a troll. As another poster has stated, you often post without giving references, either to author or date.

I have spent a number of hours researching each and every of your above headlines, supposedly of internet articles or even books. This is what I have found.

"Has the Exodus Really Been Disproven?"

This was the best article. But it was hardly more than an article. It was written by Lawrence H. Schiffman.

(Lawrence H. Schiffman is Ethel and Irvin A. Edelman Professor in Hebrew and Judaic Studies at New York University, where he serves as Chair of the Skirball Department of Hebrew and Judaic Studies. He is an internationally known scholar of the Dead Sea Scrolls and recently co-edited the Encyclopedia of the Dead Sea Scrolls (Oxford, 2000).

He gives the date of the exodus as 1250 BCE but states that the Egyptians got upset about foreigners in their country around 1580 BCE. That makes 330 years! of being upset before the Israelites finally left Egypt (and it took a large number of plagues and killing of the pharaoh's firstborn before Moses could actually pack up and leave).

He further states (but without referencing to any scripture at all) that the Exodus wandered through the desert to avoid Egyptian troops along the coast. (Exodus reference please!!!) And his proof is that Egyptian records of troop placement shows that they occupied the coast. That isn't proof.!

But in his summation, Schiffman concludes: We may not possess, at least at present, conclusive proof that the Israelites left Egypt en masse as the Bible describes. Hello!

Schiffman references an to an article: Biblical Archaeology Review, Herschel Shanks (Ha'aretz Magazine, Nov. 5, 1999). The Biblical Archaeology Review is a magazine put out by the Biblical Archaeology Society. http://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/

Herschel Shanks is an magazine editor, not a scholar.

"Herzog's Attack on the Bible Unjustified ", by Herschel Shanks can be read at
http://individual.utoronto.ca/mfkolarci ... hanks.html

Wherein he states: We don't need Professor Herzog to tell us that 2 million Israelites did not cross the Sinai on their way out of Egypt, despite the biblical implication as to this number (Exodus 12:37)

Shanks offers no more proof of anything, other than words, than does Schiffman.

"Archaeological Evidence for the Exodus"

Now this is really a troll argument. This search provides 88,300 articles and I, honestly, do not know how to pick from them. The first article provides pictures of various relics. One, the Merneptah Stele, mentions Israel. But it is worthy of note that this is in the land of Canaan and is the only mention of Israel in any dated find.

The rest of the article refers to a list of names given in ancient finds that seem to link to David or Moses or Hebrew sounding names. This is not evidence. Besides, several articles by Egyptian scholars show these interpretations to be both inaccurate and to be mispronunciations of actual Egyptian.

A very unscholarly article....but nice to look at. This article is referenced as proof by a good many other articles.

One other site mentioned by this google search is: http://1peter315.blogspot.se/2010/11/is ... e-for.html

It concludes: Let us assume though that no compelling archaeological evidence surfaces that directly affirms the events of the Exodus.

But the best article comes from Rabbi Meir Schuster. http://ohr.edu/ask_db/ask_main.php/285/Q1/

He states: Now, not finding trash could be "evidence against" the Exodus if the archeologists knew exactly where such trash should be. .... And exactly what kind of trash were they looking for? Candy wrappers?....Were they looking for human waste? ....The Talmud says that the manna was miraculous food that was totaly absorbed by the body; a person didn't have to go the bathroom after eating the manna.

Whoa! Miracle food...total absorption....no waste? But can you imagine never going to the toilet for 40 years? Is that heaven or is it hell?

"The Catholic Knight, Science and the Exodus"

This one only gave 3 hits on Google, so I'm assuming I found the right one.
http://catholicknight.blogspot.se/2008/ ... xodus.html

Once again, not a single piece of evidence. Just a posting and a few responses, a letters to the editor type of posting.

So all in all, your three sites offers no information at all. I've spent hours checking out yours and their sources and it doesn't contain a single piece of real meat to chew on, nor even a bone to gnaw on. Not one single piece of evidence that the 40 year trek by Moses and the 600,000 soldiers ever took place.

All you're doing is Googling a topic and then picking three likely sites. You've done no checking, you don't even which actual sites you've listed.

In other words, you're just purposely wasting time. You're a troll until you prove otherwise.

[_Drifting]

All you're doing is Googling a topic and then picking three likely sites. You've done no checking, you don't even which actual sites you've listed.

In other words, you're just purposely wasting time. You're a troll until you prove otherwise.

He's a definite troll.

[_Themis]

All you're doing is Googling a topic and then picking three likely sites. You've done no checking, you don't even which actual sites you've listed.

In other words, you're just purposely wasting time. You're a troll until you prove otherwise.

He's a definite troll.

I wouldn't say troll. He is very ignorant of real science. He is only interesting in looking for those support what he wants to believe. He doesn't even spend any time trying to understand in detail how it is supposed to work. I notice with him as well as others that they will always have to enter into the possibility game of implausibilities. For many they may not absolutely impossible which is more then good enough for those who need to believe. The funny thing is that modern science that has provided mountains of evidence that make a global flood impossible has it's roots in Christianity. Science never really has even been trying to prove or disprove a global flood. It just did naturally as we gained knowledge of the world around us. Even using common sense to think about a global flood 4-5k years ago will make one question that it really could happen. You really do have to be biased to such a degree that no one can really talk sense to them. This is why I have encouraged him to talk to LDS scientists who don't believe in a global flood. He may be slightly more open minded to here it from them.

[_gdemetz]

Hogwash! You guys just don't want to accept that there is any evidence no matter what you see! You have the childish idea that despite the detailed Biblical account, along with other accounts and evidences, that the whole story was just made up! Check out this site: "IBSS Biblical Archaeology, Evidence of the Exodus from Egypt." This sites more than 100 other sources!

[_Drifting]

Hogwash! You guys just don't want to accept that there is any evidence no matter what you see! You have the childish idea that despite the detailed Biblical account, along with other accounts and evidences, that the whole story was just made up! Check out this site: "IBSS Biblical Archaeology, Evidence of the Exodus from Egypt." This sites more than 100 other sources!

You are definitely the parody sock puppet of someone on here.