Drifting wrote: Not at all. There is credible evidence that the Roman Empire existed. There is credible evidence for the existence of oceanic currents. There is credible evidence on photosynthesis.
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Nomomo wrote:Yes, that definitely get interesting. But is following a different track than my addressing your claim there is no such thing as a credible OBE by my asserting that the phenomenon of the OBE in fact exists irregardless of what is or is not what you may define as "credible".
In answer to your question: How do I explain to myself what your experiences are?
My experiences are (as is myself and all of which exists) the multiverse "realizing" itself.
Is that interesting enough for you ~_-
Don't take this as a slam as I do mean it as an insult in any way, but I doubt very much this is something you are going to comprehend.
The multiverse (or meta-universe, metaverse) is the hypothetical set of multiple possible universes (including the historical universe we consistently experience) that together comprise everything that exists and can exist: the entirety of space, time, matter, and energy as well as the physical laws and constants that describe them. The term was coined in 1895 by the American philosopher and psychologist William James.[1] The various universes within the multiverse are sometimes called parallel universes. The structure of the multiverse, the nature of each universe within it and the relationship between the various constituent universes, depend on the specific multiverse hypothesis considered. Multiverses have been hypothesized in cosmology, physics, astronomy, religion, philosophy, transpersonal psychology and fiction, particularly in science fiction and fantasy. In these contexts, parallel universes are also called "alternative universes", "quantum universes", "interpenetrating dimensions", "parallel dimensions", "parallel worlds", "alternative realities", "alternative timelines", and "dimensional planes," among others.
Hmmm....perhaps you're right, I don't comprehend...
I don't think you would comprehend it even were a multiverse left completely out if it and I were to have used the term universe in the singular rather than multiverse. But you asked how I would explain to myself what my experiences were. My explanation to myself is that my experiences and myself even are a part of what is in the process of the universe "realizing" itself. I suspect this is an inadequate and perhaps nonsensical explanation in your world view. If you were to think I am just waxing esoteric or simply just whack, I would disagree but would be completely comfortable with that. ~_-
I was once told (by a sensible, senior member of the Church who held relatively high office) that OBE's were an opportunity for Satan's minions to habit the vacated body of the one having the OBE. As such they were to be avoided and if one felt one was having such an experience one was to get back into ones body ASAP before a demon slipped in and claimed squatters rights...
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!" Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
Drifting wrote:I was once told (by a sensible, senior member of the Church who held relatively high office) that OBE's were an opportunity for Satan's minions to habit the vacated body of the one having the OBE. As such they were to be avoided and if one felt one was having such an experience one was to get back into ones body ASAP before a demon slipped in and claimed squatters rights...
Drifting wrote:I was once told (by a sensible, senior member of the Church who held relatively high office) that OBE's were an opportunity for Satan's minions to habit the vacated body of the one having the OBE. As such they were to be avoided and if one felt one was having such an experience one was to get back into ones body ASAP before a demon slipped in and claimed squatters rights...
That's frickin hilarious!
And absolutely true.
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!" Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
There is one big distinct difference in the "Nessie" sightings and OBE's, and that is that is OBE's are something that happens to ones self as opposed to only something that he sees, or thinks he sees.
gdemetz wrote:There is one big distinct difference in the "Nessie" sightings and OBE's, and that is that is OBE's are something that happens to ones self as opposed to only something that he sees, or thinks he sees.
You say some ridiculous things.
The big distinct something is that an OBE is a solo experience and a Nessie sighting is a solo experience. Really?
You didn't read that back to yourself before posting did you...?
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!" Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
Drifting, you have got to be kidding me! you can't see the difference in something that happens directly to the person himself, like an OBE, as opposed to something he merely sees?!?
gdemetz wrote:Drifting, you have got to be kidding me! you can't see the difference in something that happens directly to the person himself, like an OBE, as opposed to something he merely sees?!?
Stop. Take a deep breath.
I think you claiming that an OBE is somehow a different, and therefore more valid event than someone claiming to physically see something is...shall we say...a tad one-eyed.
Where does an OBE take place? That's right - the brain. The exact same place that a Nessie sighting takes place.
Snap!
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!" Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator