The LDS members and the Kingdom of God

[_sheryl]

The Book of Mormon was written by men, and many people say it is man made, and yet Moroni promises that we all can know by the Holy Ghost whether it is true or not! He goes on to say the same thing that the Bible teaches which is by the power of the Holy Ghost we may know the truth of all things! You are trying to limit what truths that the Holy Ghost can witness of, and there is no scriptural support for that.

Yes, I understand this is your belief. This is your journey.

I have encountered something I believe is greater than what is written in the Book of Mormon.

This is my journey.

Peace be within you.

Sheryl

[_gdemetz]

Sheryl, even if you don't believe in the Book of Mormon, I think that you believe in the Bible and what it states. Just try to let the Holy Ghost continue to guide and teach you.

[_Franktalk]

Sheryl, even if you don't believe in the Book of Mormon, I think that you believe in the Bible and what it states. Just try to let the Holy Ghost continue to guide and teach you.

Hi gdemetz,

Let me comment on this. We all seek to walk in the spirit and some may get there. Then comes a walk with God. Few have done this. Enoch comes to mind. At that point a book to help is not required because the source of all truth walks with you. So for you and I who still seek to walk in the spirit we may be confused by the actions of another. But look past that and see what is in the heart of that person. If indeed they love God and their fellow man then leave that person alone. Just how many of us truly love our fellow man. I find this the most difficult thing to do. Just be aware that we all have our own path for some very good people that does not include the Church.

[Guest]

Sheryl, even if you don't believe in the Book of Mormon, I think that you believe in the Bible and what it states. Just try to let the Holy Ghost continue to guide and teach you.

The problem is she doesn't see it that way, and may not want to. The spirit/body has a real knack of telling you what you want.

[_sheryl]

Sheryl, even if you don't believe in the Book of Mormon, I think that you believe in the Bible and what it states. Just try to let the Holy Ghost continue to guide and teach you.

The problem is she doesn't see it that way, and may not want to. The spirit/body has a real knack of telling you want to want.

Dear gdemetz and Themis,

My posting here is in offering that there is a greater understanding that what is taught by the Mormon Church in this world, that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is not the greatest manifestation of God's Church presently on earth. There are Masters among us, those who know unity with God, who have found Eternal Life, and around them gather the 'True Church" of Christ. The Mormon Church is considered part of the outer church by the Masters, a necessary step for those learning to walk in faith.

And so I offer you a greater understanding which comes from a greater experience of the Holy Spirit. If you are not interested, so be it. But I wish you peace in your journey.

Sheryl

[_Themis]

And so I offer you a greater understanding which comes from a greater experience of the Holy Spirit.

And how would you suggest that gdemetz and I receive a greater experience of the holy spirit?

[_sheryl]

And how would you suggest that gdemetz and I receive a greater experience of the holy spirit?

Hi Themis!

Please know that I was not speaking of myself, but of the Redeemed among us, the Apostles and Prophets.

The Holy Spirit moves according to the Will of God, it is not some something that we can manipulate, though we all receive according to our ability to receive.

And so if we wish to receive a greater outpouring of Spirit, then we need to increase our ability to receive, and that is done by following the commandments of our Savior.

An interesting story about receiving a greater outpouring is found with Elisha.

9 And so it was, when they had crossed over, that Elijah said to Elisha, “Ask! What may I do for you, before I am taken away from you?”

Elisha said, “Please let a double portion of your spirit be upon me.”

10 So he said, “You have asked a hard thing. Nevertheless, if you see me when I am taken from you, it shall be so for you; but if not, it shall not be so.” 11 Then it happened, as they continued on and talked, that suddenly a chariot of fire appeared with horses of fire, and separated the two of them; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.

12 And Elisha saw it, and he cried out, “My father, my father, the chariot of Israel and its horsemen!” So he saw him no more.

Elisha wished to receive a double portion of the Spirit - that with which Elijah had been anointed, and what did Elijah say?

If you can perceive this incredible something that will be occurring in the spiritual - my ascension, then it shall be as you have asked.

Elijah was a Holy Man, anointed with the Holy Spirit in a Powerful way and so could speak for the Holy Spirit.

Elisha proved his ability to receive a greater outpouring with the expansion of his awareness (see posts above on the expansion of awareness), being able to see deep into the spiritual realms, which requires a great level of purity.

May all be so purified, gifted with an expansion of awareness, so that they might receive a greater outpouring of the Holy Spirit. Amen.

Shalom!

Sheryl

[_Franktalk]

Sheryl,

That was an excellent answer to a very difficult question. Knowing how few will actually take that path I think God will accept all who make it and give them what they desire as He did with Elisha. The small number will not interfere with any of the plans He has for the rest of us.

Frank

[_Themis]

And how would you suggest that gdemetz and I receive a greater experience of the holy spirit?

Hi Themis!

Please know that I was not speaking of myself, but of the Redeemed among us, the Apostles and Prophets.

So you are not offering anything.

The Holy Spirit moves according to the Will of God, it is not some something that we can manipulate, though we all receive according to our ability to receive.

We haven't even determined there is some divine being communicating to us. It is more reasonable that it is our own bodies and possibility the environment involved in the spiritual experiences. That we get so many different idea about it supports this idea. People provide their own interpretation or borrow ones they may get from others. It's funny to see you and frank and gd. I can tell you have different ideas of what you think the spirit is telling you. I have learned enough to know that from my own. This is why it is very unwise to ignore the physical when it shows evidence against our interpretations of the spiritual. The spiritual because they are interpretations, tend to be wrong very often, especially when dealings with objective truth claims. This is why it is more wise to be skeptical, but I do think the spiritual experiences are an important part of life.

[_Themis]

Sheryl,

That was an excellent answer to a very difficult question. Knowing how few will actually take that path I think God will accept all who make it and give them what they desire as He did with Elisha. The small number will not interfere with any of the plans He has for the rest of us.

Frank

This is just more of agree with me and my interpretations, yet your interpretations don't fit reality very well.